fishersari Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 6 hours ago, Airtemisa said: M8 I have managed to reach levels sensitivity 30, and recovery speed 3, although a little chattering. I am wondering if sensitivity of 27 and recovery of 3 is equal or better/worse than sensitivity of 30 and recovery of 4 as I conclude regarding sensitivity/recovery speed relations to depth (correct me if I'm wrong) the recovery speed have more mmm how to say.. 'impact' than the sensitivity.. 3 to 4 level of sensitivity equates to 1 level drop of recovery speed to achieved same depth on my beach .. of course the lower recovery speed, more skewed the targets and ground responses but its still manageable/understood with proper/much slower coil control/swing. I guess what I'm wondering is what do I gain/lose if I am using 30 sensitivity with all the amplified falsing/ground response etc with the recovery speed of 4 vs sensitivity 25-27 with recovery speed 3. I know you using 30 and recovery speed of 3 which is my dream setting to run if I can.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suncoast Kid Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I'm about to go to the beach with my M15, starting with Beach Low Conductor, Prospecting audio, iron 4 upper, 0 lower. Iron volume about half the total volume, no discrimination, red iron VDI - on. I'm also wondering whether to use 3 or 4 sweep speed, with the sensitivity over 20, but not to the point to where it causes a problem, etc. Might also change it to Normal, full tones, just to see the difference in performance. Probably start by throwing a nickle down when adjusting the sensitivity and other adjustments. Then I'll take it from there. Will report my findings soon while my Deus II collects some dust for a little while. I'm becoming attached to the Manticore a lot faster than I did with my Deus. It seems very promising, and I love the information on the graph, even though I'm not a VDI number watcher, mainly go by audio, but this detector gives a lot of information. Love that. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishersari Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 23 hours ago, Suncoast Kid said: Might also change it to Normal, full tones, just to see the difference in performance. Don't forget to test enhanced also ?.. it got few advantages compare to normal.. the big one for me is it is much easier to locate target especially when using big coil due to enhanced mode uses target signal strength.. the loudest/stronger tones is always at the center of the coil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okara gold Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 On 1/14/2024 at 7:45 PM, fishersari said: I am wondering if sensitivity of 27 and recovery of 3 is equal or better/worse than sensitivity of 30 and recovery of 4 as I conclude regarding sensitivity/recovery speed relations to depth (correct me if I'm wrong) the recovery speed have more mmm how to say.. 'impact' than the sensitivity.. 3 to 4 level of sensitivity equates to 1 level drop of recovery speed to achieved same depth on my beach .. of course the lower recovery speed, more skewed the targets and ground responses but its still manageable/understood with proper/much slower coil control/swing. I guess what I'm wondering is what do I gain/lose if I am using 30 sensitivity with all the amplified falsing/ground response etc with the recovery speed of 4 vs sensitivity 25-27 with recovery speed 3. I know you using 30 and recovery speed of 3 which is my dream setting to run if I can.. This is what Tom D said about using a 3 or 4 recovery. I would much rather you keep Recovery Speed on '4' ((than 3)). If conditions are allowing/authorizing you to drop your Recovery Speed....... I would much rather you bump up Sens by a point or two. , . , . , . , rather than deviating from a Recovery Speed of 4. ((( In most places around the World........ a Recovery Speed of '4' creates a electronic symbiotic harmonious quescense balance between electronics VS wet-salt ))). 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishersari Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 11 hours ago, okara gold said: a Recovery Speed of '4' creates a electronic symbiotic harmonious quescense balance between electronics VS wet-salt What does this mean? that recovery speed of 4 gives the best overall responses of what's in the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBayBrad Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 1/16/2024 at 7:54 AM, fishersari said: What does this mean? that recovery speed of 4 gives the best overall responses of what's in the ground? That's Tom speak for "Leave it at 4". ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBayBrad Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 1/15/2024 at 6:03 PM, Suncoast Kid said: I'm about to go to the beach with my M15, starting with Beach Low Conductor, Prospecting audio, iron 4 upper, 0 lower. Iron volume about half the total volume, no discrimination Those are the settings I'm using for the M15 and the 11 also. You should do well with 4 recovery. I dug a crazy deep dime this morning in the same hole as a small rusted screw with the M15. I heard the dime first among the iron grunts and then saw the TIDs bouncing to 80 at the same time I'm hearing iron grunts. I said to myself "There's something else next to that dime." They both came out in the same scoop after I dug deep enough. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okara gold Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On 1/16/2024 at 7:54 AM, fishersari said: What does this mean? that recovery speed of 4 gives the best overall responses of what's in the ground? Yes... Apparently, Tom is saying that a recovery speed of 4 is the best "marriage" of the Manticores electronics and a wet-salt environment. I have tried switching between a 3 and 4 speed on numerous targets as a test and for me, the recovery speed of 4 is sharper in audio and also lets me run my sensitivity higher. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airtemisa Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Another answer on Tom's forum Hello Tom! I was detecting M8, LC on Friday and in very similar conditions to previous days. The beach is still open and continues to produce, although not at the same rate, since we have already removed the most detectable signals. Stable vdi 10 signal, about 30 cm (11" approx), a handmade, artisan ring. I have no idea how old it may be, but it is beautiful. I didn't go below 4 RS and could run 30 sens. Manticore is different. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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