Steve Herschbach

Hi TabMeister, I'd say you pretty well summed it up. White's is stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. But their dealers need something to compete on the low end and the Prizm and Coinmaster units were lackluster at best. When I was a White's dealer I did not even bother with them and stocked Garrett Aces instead. The Treasuremaster units sport a more modern look, have a very competitive feature list for the price range and will be easy to sell. But you are right - White's avoiding the mass markets in favor of their dealer network, while admirable, now has them looking at the competition selling huge numbers of detectors in channels where White's has no representation at all. Even now with a new detector White's would almost appear more interested in keeping it secret than in building any kind of interest. So it had an issue and will be delayed? So what? Get it on the website and get more information out now. All kind of academic I guess since I will not ever own one but the industry and its generally dysfunctional operation always fascinates me.

If you knew what I know you would not be surprised at all. Nobody said a control was missing. A function controlled in software was missing which is an entirely different thing. The control can be there, the machine works great, it worked just fine in prototype, but the final production chip has a glitch and whoops, the threshold will not adjust. I do not know that this is what happened but it is certainly plausible. If our new forum member says he called and was told that I see no reason to doubt his word unless you know for sure differently.

Thanks for posting that information Dweaver - and welcome to the forum!

Your machine is normal - I usually run at 3 or 4 myself. I can run lower if I wish as nuggets bang out differently than the chatter but it is annoying so most people run at higher levels.

Hi Norvic, I added the link for you. More advice from an old sales pro - it is all about presentation. Take several HIGH QUALITY close up photos from every possible angle. Go to great pains to show or disclose any scrapes or scratches. Anything you can add about when and where it was found is a big deal. Every good nugget has a story, tell yours, and you have added value. Otherwise it is just a nugget.

Rumor at http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/white-s/463469-whites-new-treasure-pro-pictures-2.html#post4547566 is that the Pro version was delayed due to a faulty chip. Maybe the standard model was also found to have a problem. Have to be pretty serious to pull from the website though. Far be it from White's to just post clear honest explanations about what is going on with the new models. For a company known for their marketing prowess I have to say that in my opinion they have always been rather clueless when it comes to the Internet.

I particularly like this quote from Carl Moreland (Geotech) at http://www.dankowskidetectors.com/discussions/read.php?2,69178,84619#msg-84619 "At PriorJob I did a lot of exciting work in TD methods, and it was difficult to walk away from all that. I did a pretty good job of wrapping it up in patents, so now I'm trying to figure out how to circumvent my own work and get back to exciting results. It ain't easy, and everyday dept management duties severely eat into my development work." PriorJob would have been Carl's stint at White's Electronics. Carl now works at First Texas (Bounty Hunter, Fisher, Teknetics). The only significant patents I am aware of from White's in that time frame is the constant current and half sine patents discussed at http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/400-new-whites-patent-constant-current-metal-detector TD refers to Time Domain as opposed to working with traditional VLF detectors that operate in the Frequency Domain. The White's constant current patent bears a close similarity to the ZVT technology employed in the new Minelab GPZ 7000 and Carl's comment lends credence to the idea that White's is indeed up to some exciting things that may see the light of day in the coming year or two. Is it any coincidence that First Texas is also stepping up their game on advancing the technology? I think not! I personally believe we are in the midst of experiencing the next big leap in metal detector technology taking place from several different angles. The end results are a new ability to ignore ground effects leading to much greater depths of detection, and ultimately discrimination methods that will vastly improve on those available currently in highly mineralized soils.

The key is no cost advertising because to get a good price takes a long time in some cases. In the last I advertised gold for sale on my own website and will do so soon in the future. The Classifieds here are free for your use. Maybe no sale but also no cost, so nothing lost. Many forums offer similar free services. eBay periodically offers listings with no listing fee so that is a good deal also. I have taken up to two years to sell a single specimen for the "right price" so you have to be patient.

Anyone buying a Nokta or Makro metal detector will get the best service possible. Being a company based in Turkey they are doing everything they can to overcome any concerns people might have about service. Not only is the service outstanding but the company implements suggestions for model improvements at lightning speed. They are able to make changes in weeks when I am used to waiting for months or years from other companies. They better treat Dilek right. She is the best asset they have. She is the most responsive and should I say it "caring" company representative I have ever encountered.

No can't say that I have Rick but then I have never really used the SDC when it was damp. However, your ground is not salt ground and many detectors will run better when normal ground is damp rather than bone dry.

I normally run the SDC at sensitivity 4 and go to 5 when "on the gold". Hope you have a great season Rick!

Scary on the freight but total is still good for what looks like a new coil.

Possibly. The gold VDI number is a mix of shape, purity, and size but in general the bigger the nugget the higher the VDI number. Usually when nugget detecting either 1. Dig everything or 2. Dig all non-ferrous readings. There are very rare exceptions. If I was someplace somebody was going nuts with a .22 than I might ignore the VDI reading for a .22 shell casing. But there are nuggets that will give the same VDI reading so you are trading that risk against digging every shell casing. The 1.83 oz specimen I dug with the FORS Gold read like a coin and in fact I thought an old coin was going to pop out of the ground. I have tested one pound gold nuggets on the MXT and similar machines and they read the same as an aluminum beer can.

Don't worry, I will make sure they get the message.

And Dave Johnson's response to inquiries about this "rumor" Link deleted since Findmall Forum update broke all old links

The following information is from an apparent leak from a First Texas distributor meeting? The link is posted at http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/555-new-fisher-pulse-induction-multi-frequency-detectors/?p=10571 as part of the thread about upcoming Fisher products that have been circulating for a couple years. These leaks seem to jive with previous statements by Tom Mallory of First Texas. The main one of interest to the people on this forum would be a new CZX model aimed at gold prospecting. Here is the text from the posted screen shot: CZX - Fisher and Teknetics This machine is ground breaking technology Turn on and go 2 frequency - 9:1 ratio No need to ground balance or adjust the detector to the environment It automatically senses the ground and makes changes accordingly. First detector birthed from this platform is a gold unit priced around $1000, but deeper than current VLF, this detector will also see through red dirt, and highly mineralized soil. From this platform other machines will develop. We intend to develop the CZX and MOSCA platforms to offer more machines in the $1000 to $2000 range than have ever been available. Target release 2016 We have senior engineer Dave Johnson on this project The "Mosca" platform referred to is further described and apparently is aimed more at being a general purpose non-prospecting detector (coins, jewelry, relics). Again, here is the text from the posted screen shot: "Mosca" Fisher and Teknetics Waterproof up to 10' (3 meters) Wireless headphones - Waterproof loop and connectors for headphones 2 frequency - 7:1 ratio Hobby/Treasure Market - Great for Saltwater, Relic, Coin Auto Ground Tracking Single Pod Design LCD Pad, control buttons, 2 AA batteries Arm Pad in rear Retail target - $1200 - $2000 Target release 2016 We have dedicated engineers on this project OK, so a gold unit around $1000 that goes deeper than current VLF designs. I also have high hopes that knowing the proclivities of the engineer, Dave Johnson, that it will be relatively light and ergonomic. Dave also prefers simple and the design statements reflect that. We seriously need something that brings gold detector weights and prices back to earth and so hopefully this will be it. I have stated over and over again I would be very happy with ATX equivalent performance in a less expensive lightweight package. Garrett so far seems disinclined to make that unit but they have a year at least before it may be a moot point. The CZX would have to obsolete the White's TDI as it is aimed squarely at or below the same price point and unless it beats TDI performance would be dead on arrival. We will not have long to wait - 2016 is coming fast!

Don't know the source and would normally ignore this, but the two screen shots really do look like something you would see at a dealer or distributor meeting, taken with a cell phone. And it jives with company statements made earlier by Tim Mallory. Hopefully Mosca is just the in house development name becasue it sounds too much like something Tesoro would come up with. Odd that both are billed as dual frequency units but at different ratios. One automatically ground balances, one automatically ignores ground but in a different way. They seem similar but obviously are seen by FT as being quite different with the CZX billed as "ground breaking technology". Another continuous wave machine employing time domain methodologies? I always thought that PI would eventually supplant continuous wave but instead it seems we have a merging of technologies taking place that will combine the best of VLF and PI. Minelab is pushing at the limits of the "spare no expense" envelope. First Texas will no doubt focus more on bang for the buck with more mass market appeal. Exciting days ahead!

Nuggets are natures art. Beauty - and value - are in the eye of the beholder. My starting price for all gold I sell is $2000 oz and it all eventually sells for that or more. Or I don't sell it. Having sold a lot of gold I can tell you a nugget you think is ugly another will think a real beauty so you never know. If you want to buy gold, buy a gold coin or gold bar. The price of gold has a direct relationship there. But for nuggets it is a loose connection. In Alaska, when gold prices are high, miners are producing lots of nuggets. The premium between the gold price and nugget price narrows. When the price of gold drops, fewer nuggets enter the market, so the premium actually increases.

Hi John, It is possible of course that a change was made in the software I am not aware of. A change in software making the initial ground balance settings different should not make the machine detect deeper. However, I do not know everything or even half of it! I am glad you are getting such great results with your unit.

TreasureMaster is being advertised for pre-sale at a couple dealers with a MAP price of $279.95 No sign of the TreasurePro yet.

First off, I do not think there has been any change in GMT software. They are what they are. If you are talking air tests I would not put much store in the results myself. In ground would be another story. In fact, machines that air test hot can be very poor in the field. As far as where I was hunting in Alaska, it would simply depend on if you wanted the machine to lean to small gold or large. If hunting general tailing piles for large gold I would prefer the MXT myself. But if I got on bedrock and was sniping tiny gold the GMT has the edge. The two machines overlap 90% or more in how they perform on gold so in most circumstances either serves as well.

Sounds like you were sold old stock by the dealer so your ire may be misdirected. I bet it is made good on either case.

Well, this site has put up screen shots that appear to be from a First Texas meeting with details on the upcoming multi frequency and PI (or PI like multi frequency) detectors. $1000 - $2000 range sand 2016 sounds about right. http://md-hunter.com/fisher-is-making-a-clever-metal-detector-new-2016/#more-2178

My old 2005 Toyota only had one 12V outlet for all the stuff I wanted to charge and the key had to be on for it to operate. The next time it was in for a tuneup I asked them to add a new wire off the main harness to another outlet in the dash that was always on. It worked great. That is what got me in trouble last time. I was plugged into the cig lighter outlet on my 2008 4 Runner, and again had to have key on for it to work. I turned the key switch one notch too far, and heater kicked on at low level and I did not notice. Separate battery all the way from now on!

From the White Paper: "Further technical information A ‘dust iron’ toroid suitable for the HF frequency band (e.g.1–30MHz with an initial permeability of between 6 and 10) has been carefully selected. It is recommended to use this specific Minelab accessory, only. Alternate ferrites may significantly degrade ground balance quality."