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I will be getting a 11x13 coil soon. I plan on getting a longer plastic bolt and tossing that wing nut thing and putting double nuts on to tighten. Double nuts NEVER loosen.

There is about 10 days left in my season> too late for me! 🤬

Have some moderate EMI for three blocks on one end of the beach that seems to only affect the Equinox. The D2 seems to handle it just fine. I hunt two beaches and yes the bitey sounds are at both locations.

I have moderate black sand. Not the hardest, but enough to affect every detector that I have tried here to some degree. I do not run with the coil cover. I agree, in Pitch programs there is even greater chances of ferrous breakthrough. I am not running Full Tones. Just a basic two-tone with square audio.

I don't know? But we both seem to be having ferrous ID issues in our respective operating modes. There may be users getting a different response in clean ground. Could it be that Black Sand is the culprit? I know air testing does not give the issues I am seeing in the field. Almost like a breakdown of detection. Targets always appear to be bitey, to me and not crisp and clean. [i am running square tones] The problem: If I turn up filters to make some items sound better initially, the game might be lost in fringe targets. Maybe this week I will try PWM sounds and see if the bitey responses smooth out. Thoughts?

Gosh that is not all true. I think a well tuned machine and operator can really factor out the trash equation. I think the less ferrous is the way to go and like you, digging nonferrous is where it is at. [at the beach] Yes! But lets go back to sounds and number on the D2. This is where I find BIG ISSUES! Once a target will not TID, the D2 is lousy at giving hints at what might still be in the ground. Iron wrap-around sounds identical to deep non-ferrous that will not TID. I can clearly confirm these types of targets on the Equinox but cannot do so with the D2. Different modes, different settings, nothing seems to help with deep non-ferrous. The only hint I have found if you happen to get the machine to throw a number. Even if it is only one in 5-8 swings. Other than that, if you are at a wet salt beach or working in water>FORGET IT!

I have not dug a Bobby Pin in 3 years with the Equinox. At the beach have put a few of these in my pouch, as with other odd iron that seems to break through discrimination. What's up with that??

Stability setting??? Like recovery speed? Yes, maybe? But does the frequency weighting favor gold? In that wet/black sand zone.

Yes, the 700/900 is easier to run than the D2. The gold chain detection is about even between the two machines.

I do not have a legend. But I think both the Equinox and Manticore are great on small gold. The Deus2 not so much, if your hunting wet sand/water. If I was starting new with what I know. It would be the Manticore. It is much easier to run than the D2 and it is better on gold chains [and it is not even close] Way less iron wrap-around in general and the Manticore runs quieter with equal to better depth than the D2.

YES!

For cripes sake> amazon now? 😏

Hey Bill You may be one of the most experienced beach hunters that have a Legend>>>>show us the way!

Sounds like skill to me! 😎

I am not sure how many beach hunters experience iron wrap-around. [I do] and it is a PIA. There is no carpet of iron here, but I go have plenty of iron targets. However, I dig very few, mostly because I recognize the target sounds bad and these throw numbers in the 70's. The 1-2- and 5-peso coins are part ferrous and nonferrous. So, I sort through these, maybe a 100 plus in 3-4 hours. To me there is a big difference on how iron sounds. If you are looking for something to silent search in heavy iron, I do not think you will find any machine. Talking about numbers> Black sand and salt does not give good numbers. I highly suggest learning what the difference in sounds are with some general TID numbers. If the target is deep enough to throw multiple numbers it cannot be trusted, but you should trust the range of numbers it is throwing. Example: We were testing the Manticore, and my friend called me over to look at a fringe target he was going to pass on. While this target did not sound good to me after 360 inspection it kept throwing me a 43 every three sweeps or so. I told him I would dig it; he offered it back to me, I said no you should dig it. A couple of minutes later he showed me a gold ring in his scoop and a big smile! I also hunt the D2 with the 9" coil. Not sure what your using, my Deus stays dedicated to mostly water contact. That 9" coil is a dream to push through wave wash and it makes target recovery easy. The smaller coil will perform better in your case. As for Dive mode> I am not sure this will do better in your location. Different frequencies my help. The only way to know is to set-up a program and try. For the record, Beach P is the worse [I think] for iron wrap-around and getting good separation of ferrous and nonferrous targets.

As a beach/water hunter. Finding nothing rings up as boring all the time! 😎

So, I can expect 6 more months! Too bad they do not have the update in the hands of a real beach hunter!

Manticore is impressive on gold chains. Depending on conditions and hunt mode small stuff should be no problem.

I am not really sure why you would do that [notching]? Reactivity too high for my taste. Where is your salt at? Try not to go below 7. If you cannot run Beach, why not try the dive program? Beach and Dive are the same when it comes to gold chains. Dive may get you considerable huntable depth with less filters. Also> Set a dive program up and check iffy targets. Iron falsing can come in anywhere. I think any notching above 28 is not good for beach hunting. You have to learn some of these iron signals by sound [not notching] and a 360 look at the target. I highly recommend a two-tone program for Black Sand with the first bin stopping at 22. This will help greatly with black sand and some low iron wrap. When you have doubtful targets, take the sensitivity up 2-3 notches just to look at that one target, also if needed take a scoop out and check for target changes. Almost always nonferrous will sound better.

I have been hunting the same beach a long time. There really is more of a correlation to conditions rather than where targets are. My beach is rough, but differences between calm days and an extended wave event can really move targets. As a general rule, chains stay low on the slope and gold rings and coins can be found anywhere from top of the slope to the bottom of the trough. My tides change less than 12" from high to low, but hunting low tide can be better. The key might be to see where targets are on a given day and hunt that region.

I have struggled with black sand too. Right now, I am running a two-tone program where the first tone break goes to 22. I have also taken that first tone to 202hz and I think my iron volume is at 2. The second tone break 23-100 I have taken it to 835hz so the tones on nonferrous really jump out. Remember> nothing really ID's correctly in black sand anyway so just knowing ferrous or nonferrous is the important factor. My beach balances at 87 but I always run tracking and it helps with pockets of more concentrated black sand. Right now I can run magnetic accept, but in the summer my conditions were worse and was running reject. I have not tested depth between the two [but I should] There are other settings on the Deus 2 that can help black sand, which programs are you running and what are your settings?

Ya, there are lots of wives tales/fallacies in metal detecting.

Gosh? How long before Deus come out with their extra coils for the D2? Not to mention an update, I suffer from iron wrap-around beach hunting would be nice to see if that can be mitigated. 😇

That may be a POV? The Manticore will produce more finds than the Equinox. [and I really like the Equinox] One should pay attention to poster "meggie" over on Friendly Forums to see what the Manticore can do from someone who is swinging it.

This guy who hunts in tennis shoes and does not go near the water? I am supposed to listen to him? 😏