50 Tones Default - Tone Pitch 20 Vs 25

[MCH2]

‘CTX TONES’ Detect Mode: Park 1 Ground Balance: 0 (Factory pre-set) All-Metal (Horseshoe): On Frequency: Multi Volume Adjust: 20+/- (Depending on your hearing) Tone Volume: T1=4, T2=25 Sensitivity: 20+/- (Depending on your search environment) Recovery Speed: 6 Iron Bias: 6 Target Tones: 50 Tone Break: T1=1, T2=12 Tone Pitch: T1=1, T2=20 Threshold Level: 8 Threshold Pitch: 4 Discrim Break accept/reject: None (All Metal) This setup was programmed to get the Equinox to sound as close as I could possibly get to a CTX3030. The tones will closely match the CTX3030 (i.e. small hammered coins will have a low tone, large copper coins a high tone), although the audio responses will sound flat in direct comparison. These settings will allow you to use multi-tone in All-Metal, giving an audio discrimination (lower volume for rejected items). Although this program was designed just for the tones, it is powerful and you can try it on different environments to see if it works for you.

 

Doesn't  "Target Tones of 50"  have only 1 tone break?

[Chase Goldman]

8 hours ago, MCH2 said:

50 Tone Break: T1=1, T2=12

?   You can only set one tone break when in 50 tones so I don’t understand this recommended setting.  Should it just be T1=12?

[Happa54]

2 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

?   You can only set one tone break when in 50 tones so I don’t understand this recommended setting.  Should it just be T1=12?

Yes, I'm confused by this too. The default for 2 tones is ferrous=1 and non-ferrous=20.

I wouldn't want to set my non-ferrous tone pitch to 12. 

[mn90403]

I just asked Randy Dee if he can help explain what Gordon means and perhaps he may have changed it with the updates that have been made since he was one of the original testers of the Equinox.

[mn90403]

Randy has replied and said:

Hello Mitchel

I have just found Gordons post on the Minelab Owners Forum and I have copied his settings below and I can see why people are getting confused.

Yes Gordon is using 50 Tones and he is correct in saying that you can set the lower tone pitch with the only one option in "Tones" which displays "TONE 1"  (ie) silver paper, thin silver and gold coins and all that it means is that the lowest tone threshold is starting at this low sounding conductive tone then as the machine detects non ferrous according to the conductive scale for example a large copper coin the responsive higher "Tone" is heard.

Notice Gordon does not mention anywhere in his post below that there is the ability to make additional "Tone Breaks" or make any selective "Tone Pitch".   All sounds produced is totally reliant on the conductivity of the metal object and that is where the LOW to HIGH Pitch Tones emanate from and is produced on the tone pitch scale 1 to 50.

Good Hunting

Randy

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Gordons Post from his thread.

Re: Making an Equinox sound like a CTX3030

You can change the tone pitch on all tone options (1, 2, 5, 50).
50 tones is done on Tone Break T1, and a low setting of 1 (T1 = 1) gives the lowest target tones (lower range of multi-tones). T1 = 11 moves the tones range to their highest settings... and of-course setting in between correspond to tone pitches in between..

[Cal_Cobra]

Why would you want to make an Equinox sound like a CTX when it's not?

[Randy Dee]

12 minutes ago, Cal_Cobra said:

Why would you want to make an Equinox sound like a CTX when it's not?

Gordon is only giving this information as an option for use not as a must use, it is just a case of like what Mitchel wrote to me the tone setting is just like one does when setting up the "Base & Treble" tones on a stereo to ones own preferences.

The CTX-3030 has the ability to utilize the tones to ones own likes and so does the Equinox, both machines great tones.

[Chase Goldman]

2 hours ago, mn90403 said:

Randy has replied and said:

Hello Mitchel

I have just found Gordons post on the Minelab Owners Forum and I have copied his settings below and I can see why people are getting confused.

Yes Gordon is using 50 Tones and he is correct in saying that you can set the lower tone pitch with the only one option in "Tones" which displays "TONE 1"  (ie) silver paper, thin silver and gold coins and all that it means is that the lowest tone threshold is starting at this low sounding conductive tone then as the machine detects non ferrous according to the conductive scale for example a large copper coin the responsive higher "Tone" is heard.

Notice Gordon does not mention anywhere in his post below that there is the ability to make additional "Tone Breaks" or make any selective "Tone Pitch".   All sounds produced is totally reliant on the conductivity of the metal object and that is where the LOW to HIGH Pitch Tones emanate from and is produced on the tone pitch scale 1 to 50.

Good Hunting

Randy

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Gordons Post from his thread.

Re: Making an Equinox sound like a CTX3030

You can change the tone pitch on all tone options (1, 2, 5, 50).
50 tones is done on Tone Break T1, and a low setting of 1 (T1 = 1) gives the lowest target tones (lower range of multi-tones). T1 = 11 moves the tones range to their highest settings... and of-course setting in between correspond to tone pitches in between..

Sorry, but this still doesn’t satisfactorily explain why the PDF version of Gordon’s 4 Equinox programs explicitly calls out 2 tone breaks for the 50 tone ‘CTX Tones’ program and also has the tone pitch setting (also known as pitch gap in the 50 tones context) at 1,20 which is the 50 tone default setting.  The explanation above is basically just restating what is already in the manual regarding how to close the ferrous/non-ferrous pitch gap and has no correspondence to his published ‘CTX Tones’ progam settings. So...I’m still confused as to how CTX Tones should be set up.

[mn90403]

You guys know more than I do so I hope Gordon might be sent this thread and tell us if he still can tune his instrument this way and get the high tones Happa is after.