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4 hours ago, Digalicious said:

do you find that TT helps with that? Why or why not?

Target trace works great until you get a fringe target that will not TID.
Then, one better switch your brain to tones because the target trace may talk you out of something!  

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On 6/17/2023 at 5:30 AM, Digalicious said:

Invenio Pro - Nokta Detectors



Invenio Metal Table

The third image shows a coin about the diameter of a quarter. Is that enough resolution to distinguish between gold jewelry and aluminum trash? Or all trash for that matter?

This is their second or maybe even third generation GPR like imaging machine, and while the price is becoming within reach (not much more than some high end PI detectors), it's just not there yet for me.  I would love to see what the Invenio Pro's screen looks like at a trashy park ?  Or better yet some of the stage stops or ghost town type sites we enjoy visiting.   Given the price differentiation between the Invenio Pro and their last model, I suspect the next generation model (if there is one, and I hope there is) will drop the price into a more affordable zone, maybe the price of a 3030, and it'll be better at imaging as well as a more condensed package (maybe the collector will be built into the detector by then?).

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44 minutes ago, Cal_Cobra said:

This is their second or maybe even third generation GPR like imaging machine, and while the price is becoming within reach (not much more than some high end PI detectors), it's just not there yet for me.  I would love to see what the Invenio Pro's screen looks like at a trashy park ?  Or better yet some of the stage stops or ghost town type sites we enjoy visiting.   Given the price differentiation between the Invenio Pro and their last model, I suspect the next generation model (if there is one, and I hope there is) will drop the price into a more affordable zone, maybe the price of a 3030, and it'll be better at imaging as well as a more condensed package (maybe the collector will be built into the detector by then?).

I know a guy that bought an Invenio Pro, the detector its based off is very lacking and the technology is not even remotely valid for the price they're asking.

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In saying that, I applaud them for coming out with something different, albeit very over priced.  I don't think they should stop development, but perhaps not release another model until it's ready or dramatically lower the price.  Hopefully the imaging turns into something we all want to use someday and becomes a standard feature on detectors.

 

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39 minutes ago, phrunt said:

I know a guy that bought an Invenio Pro, the detector its based off is very lacking and the technology is not even remotely valid for the price they're asking.

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In saying that, I applaud them for coming out with something different, albeit very over priced.  I don't think they should stop development, but perhaps not release another model until it's ready or dramatically lower the price.  Hopefully the imaging turns into something we all want to use someday and becomes a standard feature on detectors.

 

I agree.  For me it's more of a curiosity with potential w/further development.  I like that they took the initiative to try something innovative.

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About 2 years ago, I got back into detecting after about a 30 year absence. Back in the day, my go to detectors were the Fisher 1266X and the Tesoro Silver uMax. Upon returning to the hobby, my first detector was a Vanquish 540. Taking the 540 into my backyard to depth test with a silver dime, gave me a rude awakening. That rude awakening was the noise with SMF / EMI, and the new detectors didn't provide much more depth than the 1266X and the uMax in my mild ground. I then quickly realized that depth performance hit a wall a very long time ago. 

In an ongoing discussion about A.I. in metal detecting on another forum, a member posted:

 

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Someone, on a similar thread, pointed out the great advances in detecting, in the mere 50 to 60-ish recent years . We have gone from BFO , To TR all-metal , To TR disc. , To VLF/GEB disc, To TID , To deeper multifrequency Thus we've gone from 3" deep on a coin (with no disc.) to 12" deep on coins, (with disc) during that time.

So here's the deal : There was a ~30 yr. period, between about 1965 -ish to 1995-ish, that : If you had a machine that was a mere 5 or 10 yrs. old, then : YOU HAD A DINOSAUR ! Your buddies would kick your @ss ! But notice that in the last 30 yrs., that's no longer the case. Today you can pick a 10 or 20 yr. old machine that can do exactly the same !!

What I'm getting at, is that we are long overdue for a game changer in this hobby. IMO, the last game changer was SMF, but that advancement mainly applies to highly mineralized ground.

With the Invenio, if Nokta can get the price down, and improve on the ergonomics, speed, and resolution, then the Invenio would be a game changer far more profound than anything previous.

 

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Here's a short video with coins and a nail in the ground. The resolution isn't that bad, as the coins are easily distinguishable from the elongated object. However, the resolution still needs significant improvement, and the "Processing Data" needs to be done instantaneously as you sweep.
 

 

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32 minutes ago, Digalicious said:

Ακολουθεί ένα σύντομο βίντεο με νομίσματα και ένα καρφί στο έδαφος. Η ανάλυση δεν είναι τόσο κακή, καθώς τα νομίσματα διακρίνονται εύκολα από το επίμηκες αντικείμενο. Ωστόσο, η ανάλυση χρειάζεται ακόμα σημαντική βελτίωση και η "Επεξεργασία δεδομένων" πρέπει να γίνει αμέσως καθώς σκουπίζετε.
 

 

what prevents you from understanding with a simple vlf if it is a nail or a coin, you will have to pay 7,000 euros to see on a screen that transmits an image from the sound. imagine being alone and having to dig with all that gear hanging around your neck. This machine is aimed at people with no knowledge, I can't imagine any experienced researcher spending 7000 euro for this detector. it is also advertised to find empty spaces, which is theoretically but practically not the case.

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