Steve Herschbach

That is the best idea ever. Digger kids? Detector caddy boy? I want one!

Most overrated idea ever. You can already use the AI between your ears to accept or reject items based on the very minimal information that an engineer like Carl really has to work with. AI does not change the fact that for every good target there are countless trash targets that look exactly the same to the metal detector. AI can’t change the underlying physics. You will get people who will start marketing “AI assisted” detectors, but it’s just not what people think it is. People should do like Carl and use oscilloscopes etc to see what the detector sees, and then this idea that AI is going to somehow “learn” from you as you tell it what it is finding will get put to rest. No, for every trash item you tell the detector about and it finally decides to reject, you will miss good items also. It won’t do any better than the best of us at that, and probably worse, as there will always be more trash than good finds. Want to get rid of them? Reject all targets. That’s where an AI bias against digging trash ends up. AI can only work with the information it has and at the electronic level there simply is not this massive amount of information people seem to think there is. Detectors are half blind people groping in the dark guessing at half felt items. The problem with half sine is patents and no action from Garrett. Anyone can do a PI / VLF either or detector, and I’m sure many of us would be happy with a machine that can hunt in all metal PI mode, then switch to VLF disc mode once target found.

The idea is not for things to be clear, the idea is to sell metal detectors. A basis in fact obscured by smoke and mirrors magnified by people’s desires to see what they want to see equal sales.

It’s been doable for ages and suggested for longer. White’s could have stuck a MXT and TDI SL circuit boards in one box and switched between them, and still been lighter than a GPZ 7000. The main thing would be designing a coil that could run well in both PI mode and VLF mode. Not a huge hurdle really as a PI can run almost any configuration - it’s the VLF side that’s pickier so design for that as the priority. Now obviously an MXT board and a TDI SL board would be way, way smaller than what Whites made. Think more like Manticore plus AlgoForce E1500 together in a single package. Both could easily fit in something about the size of an Axiom. As you say, two separate detectors in one housing with ability to switch between the two. Obvious idea, brought up many times. So why has nobody done it? Lack of outside the box thinking at the majors that has them thinking this or that, but not both. At one time it was just a too klunky option really, but with today’s smaller circuit boards and more powerful batteries much more feasible.

April 17, 2024 AXIOM LITE Garrett is pleased to announce that our powerful Axiom pulse induction prospecting detector is now available in a new, affordable option for your customers. This new Axiom Lite package, recently introduced in our Australian marketplace, has already proven to be a big hit. Customers receive all the advantages of Garrett's most powerful PI detector at the best possible price—thousands of dollars cheaper than its pulse induction competition. It's the perfect way to make a successful start on prospecting without breaking the bank. Details: Axiom Lite Part No: 1142710 Garrett MSRP: $3,529.99 MAP pricing: $2,999.99 Includes Garrett Axiom detector, soft carry bag, 11" mono coil, and coil cover. This is a savings of $1,000.00 off Garrett's deluxe Axiom product offerings. Packages of the new Axiom Lite will be shipping this month, so please place your orders. The U.S. military discount (15% off MAP $2549.99) is available on the Axiom Lite for dealers who wish to participate. The deluxe Axiom package options are also still available: PN: 1142720 Axiom Metal Detector with 13"x11" DD-FC Coil, 11"x7" Mono Coil, AA Backup Battery Pack, and MS-3 Wireless Headphones PN: 1142765 Axiom Metal Detector with 13"x11" Mono Coil, 11"x7" DD-FC Coil, AA Backup Battery Pack, and MS-2 Wired Headphones

April 17, 2024 AXIOM LITE Garrett is pleased to announce that our powerful Axiom pulse induction prospecting detector is now available in a new, affordable option for your customers. This new Axiom Lite package, recently introduced in our Australian marketplace, has already proven to be a big hit. Customers receive all the advantages of Garrett's most powerful PI detector at the best possible price—thousands of dollars cheaper than its pulse induction competition. It's the perfect way to make a successful start on prospecting without breaking the bank. Details: Axiom Lite Part No: 1142710 Garrett MSRP: $3,529.99 MAP pricing: $2,999.99 Includes Garrett Axiom detector, soft carry bag, 11" mono coil, and coil cover. This is a savings of $1,000.00 off Garrett's deluxe Axiom product offerings. Packages of the new Axiom Lite will be shipping this month, so please place your orders. The U.S. military discount (15% off MAP $2549.99) is available on the Axiom Lite for dealers who wish to participate. The deluxe Axiom package options are also still available: PN: 1142720 Axiom Metal Detector with 13"x11" DD-FC Coil, 11"x7" Mono Coil, AA Backup Battery Pack, and MS-3 Wireless Headphones PN: 1142765 Axiom Metal Detector with 13"x11" Mono Coil, 11"x7" DD-FC Coil, AA Backup Battery Pack, and MS-2 Wired Headphones

That website is wrong so I deleted the link, that bolt will not work on the Axiom. Maybe all other Garrett models but not Axiom. https://garrett.com/store/axiom-spare-bolt-and-washers/

It is literally in the first post of this thread that 1.47 is the current firmware version for the Axiom.

Actually it was a positive review. Frankly nobody but you cares anymore as this thread went dead almost five years ago.

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It's been available since day one - read the three posts I made here:

I jumped to Garrett with the 24K and Axiom and declined an invitation to sign a new NDA with Minelab as I did not want to risk any possible appearance of impropriety. I've wrapped up work on the Axiom obviously and at this point content with where we are in detector technology given where I started 50 years ago. Long story short I've not had any contact with anyone at Minelab in over a year. It's not something I am all anxious about one way or the other as my big nugget hunting days are behind me. I have little interest in anything other than a detector that gets a solid 20% more depth than what we have now, and that's not going to happen.

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We had a couple corrupt index tables that have now been cleared. Should be fixed now though some items like Activity Streams or notification lists may need to rebuild. I'll be honest with you guys sometimes I feel like I'm just keeping it running with duct tape and bailing wire and hope the whole thing does not blow up at some point.

Either will get the job done, personal preference thing more than either being an absolute provable "best." I lean Equinox myself due to larger available coil selection and versatility, but would not argue with anyone who'd rather use the ORX for nugget detecting.

I’d agree with that. When Gerry mentioned soon I thought he meant soon, like this year. Announcement May 2025 with likely availability by end of 2025 is not my definition of soon, so I’ll go back to napping until then.

In keeping with the Classifieds being for advertising the discussion that got started here has been moved.

Actually having worked with thousands of warranty claims through my old business with many very large companies, I can assure people that getting the item in question to a service center is almost always on the customer. Very few companies will pay for getting it to them. So don’t look on this as something Minelab is doing that is abnormal because it is not. I do expect they will ship me the new coil for free, but even that a lot of companies will not do. I could tell you horrendous tales of people in Alaska having to ship new snowmobiles, outboards, ATVs etc from remote locations into one of the few service centers in the state like ours. Many hundreds or even thousands of dollars in shipping and in general that is on the buyer. Like I always told people up there, read the fine print if you live in remote locations. If you live on an island in the Pacific and that detector dies, you most likely will pay a hefty shipping bill both ways for warranty work.

My purchase date was 2/27 and registered 3/5 so over 30 days. Went unused due to poor weather until now. I did fire it up initially but with the 5x8 coil which works. Only found out yesterday the 11” coil is bad.

Yeah that was kind of the plan but I’ll just have to make do with what I have until I get a new coil. No point in getting upset over minor things and if this is the worst thing that happens to me this year I’ll count my blessings.

That's mostly old ad copy being recycled, kind of like the detectors. But yeah, they have low operating costs and can continue to milk the old product for a long time, dropping prices as much as needed to keep the sales going. Especially if they sell direct cutting out middle men.

It was registered online here https://register.minelab.com/index.html#/form/product It appears maybe he looked for warranty under the email address I used to report the issue which was different than that used to register the detector. Or that's my guess anyway as to why he could not find it. That makes little sense though as all records should be by serial number as it is the product that is under warranty, not the owner. The same serial number would track claims under multiple owners assuming the product changed hands while under warranty. I did supply my serial number, name, address, and phone number in the orignal report so it should have been easy to find. The good news is I got an answer back within the hour after sending my registration confirmation copy, along with an RMA number. I of course get to pay the shipping to send back the defective coil, always a happy feeling. Coil shipped 4/26 USPS Ground 12"x12"x4" 1 lb 12 oz $9.99 expected delivery 4/30 to: Minelab Americas Inc 3565 Butterfield Rd. Unit 121 Aurora, IL 60502

Thanks for the offer Joe (and Hugh) but I have the 5x8 coil. It's not worth your time/money or mine to be doing any mailing back and forth. Since I consider the 5x8 to be my primary coil this is not a big deal to me, and was only documenting it all on this thread so others might learn from it.

Yeah I figured a properly used 5x8 coil would be deadly on the Manticore ,which is why I refused to get one until they were available. Waited a year for something that should have been available on day one.

So what's a new GPX 5000 sell for now that it's back. Same as before or.......?