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I think that the situation is a little different in America, and a little different in Europe.... while detectorists in America used almost all American-made detectors for many years... and possibly the Australian manufacturer minelab... detectorists in Europe used a significantly wider selection of detectors not only American and Australian, but to a large extent also European manufacturers of detectors l..which really have very good noise-separation detection parameters./detection efficiency/..but they were also competitive in price.. in order to appreciate these detectors, you have to use them or see them in the field where you are detecting... After all, Minelab was the first to understand this and came up with the very competitive Minelab Equinox 600/800 multi-frequency detectors.. which was also available at a reasonable price... equinox also brought one new thing... accurate very deep ID on targets in many types of terrain. .. It was a direct response primarily to the European manufacturer XP.. with their Deus/ORX model.. This eventually forced the XP company to enter the market with the Deus 2 multi-frequency detector. I would like to mention Turkey Nokta, which was largely inspired by the Equinox 800 model and produced a very similar detector. Other European manufacturers such as Rutus, Golden Mask are also not sleeping and are innovating their detectors... and don't forget the Russian company AKA model INTRONIK.. which is a powerful detector.. I myself took part as a tester in testing the first multi-frequency detector from the company Rutus.. model ATREX .. and, now I am one of the testers of the multi-frequency and Rutus VERSA, which fulfills the attributes of a compact, waterproof and powerful metal detector... which I think will surprise you with its performance. .even on mineralized terrains.. This makes us think...that the future of detection technology is open and it is worth making innovations in detection technology. for every detector manufacturer... ...something from the main part of my detectors, American, European and Australian detectors...

Dave... the 12cm concentric coil on the ATREX ..it is not a problem to work in multi-frequency,,, on the contrary, it does not lose its separation possibilities... which I use and have good results with it.. and the great value of this small 12cm concentric coil from provides the best 2D separation of all coils to ATREX...

...Steve is right about something... a lot of .. "like .. testers" ... start testing a new detector... and at the same time they have not yet understood well how the detector works... and a detector tested in this way may or may not give good results in such testing .. or on the contrary, the given new detector provides excellent results in such a test ... but it does not work in another type of test ... and it also does not work in the field where you are detecting ... because it is important for detection not only how the detector signals the target... but also if the detector signals iron .. or other waste... and the terrain itself also strongly influences such detection.. I'm talking about the ratio of good signals ... to waste, for example... And on the other side there are "Field testers" of the detector manufacturer who test the detectors from the prototype.. and you can really trust them.. because in such testing.. they know what they are doing... and they try to improve the tested detector as much as possible.. from my point of view, one of the best possibilities for testing the properties of the detector is various test fields... which contain both deep-seated targets and iron-masked targets... and which also contain civilized pollution with rusts, ceramics, coal and ash... because they really simulate the real detection conditions.. If there are more of these test fields... then you can really evaluate quite accurately how the detector works... Minelab Manticore field tester... Mike on his test field... Finally, the work of field testers directly in detection in the field...can further evaluate the test properties of the new detector in detection First of all, I want to say... well done synthetically... specific separation tests should show which detector setting will be best done in a given detection situation... But here it can be shown that a certain detector or even the type of coil used do not really have the best detection results in which type of separation... or it can be the opposite... it can show the correct combination of detector and coil + correct setting... I can provide the best separation results.. in the test.. one more thing... the given detection situation should have really well simulated real detection conditions in a certain terrain... and then such testing can provide excellent results in practical detection as well Now something about the Monte performance nailboard test.... this separation test simulates really well the 2D separation of a good target in iron - the so-called shallow separation. - because this type can separate targets well, let's say to a depth of 8-10 cm.max In ...Monte's 2D separation test, find out really well which coil or detector program setting can give you the best results in the given "2D separation" test.. I fully trust this test...and I have very good experience with it in detection...where a good detector with an optimal coil for 2D separation...can comfortably unmask the last ... good shallow targets between iron.... The 12 cm concentric coil on this detector provides the best separation results in the Monte performance nailboard test. at the optimal setting. on 1 frequency but also in multi-frequency... the detector on such a setting .. was able to detect and pull out in iron .. 2 really good targets ... both signals gave correct VDI and signal graph of the target in the cross signal control.. in multyfrequency program ... the number of unsolicited waste... to detect 2 good targets... for me it is an important parameter in detection... in 3.5 hours detection The optimal coil on the detector ..really delivered... excellent results in the Monte Performance Nailboard Test separation test...but it also managed to find another 2 good targets in 3.5 hours of detection... !!! Finally, I want to say that if you need to search for deeply buried targets... you will need a detector and a coil that can pass the 3D deep separation test... /10-30 cm deph / and that is quite different testing compared to the Monte Performance Separation test... 3D depth separation test - a small 16.5mm nickel coin in a depth of 11 cm...

Dave .... I think that after the new software for VERSA, there will be new software for ATREX

I think I can say that, the new software for VERSA will have an adjustable audio gain and many other significant improvements...some of the features of the new software/which is in tests/surprised me.

I AM curious about your experience with Rutus VERSA... ,,and if you have any questions about the setup, I will be happy to advise them... New settings and improvements are coming to VERSA...so I will be interested in the work of VERSA on American soil...👍

The target of larger coils than the standard 11" ,,, should be the following detection, which has already been detected several times with a standard coil and smaller coils....and in addition to good targets, some ferrous and non-ferrous waste was dug up....and it was also cleaned well from unsolicited signals for the use of a larger coil... so that it works as optimally as possible... and reaches some deeper targets... which are at the limit or beyond the range of a standard coil... As Vladimir says... wet /conductive/, or in hematite soil/iron type/...it can reduce the sensitivity of large coils to small low-conductive targets...I like to compare it to the Effect-mechanism like Monte Performance Nailboard Test ...where iron deposited on a large surface ...can strongly limit and subsequently reduce the VDI of low-conductivity targets with a large coil.. into the iron zone...and in such a situation, a smaller coil works better than a large coil.. And as Bklein says .. the weight of a large coil is greater .. and that is the payment for a greater depth of detection ... and the price can suit everyone ... I believe that in the future even large coils can be significantly lighter - if modern technologies are used, for example in performance sports... Since the CTX 3030 is a bit more stable than the ETRAC... I would also see a larger coil for the CTX 3030 like a 13X17" coil.....maybe something like a ligth 15" round coil ..for coin detection....

ETRAC and CTX 3030 are detectors where by using a larger coil/13"/ you can increase the depth range on coin targets... let's say from the size of 13-14 mm in most types to large coins compared to a 11" standard coil... ...I did a depth test of the CTX 3030 with a large coil with a modified coin program on my test field.. I modified the coin program,,, not only with regard to the good depth of detection, but also to the maximum stability of the ID on deep targets.. The CTX 3030 detector was set to a manual sensitivity of 23... tested targets are: 1. small ..14 mm silver earring at a depth of 20 cm.. 2. small.. 14mm -0.50 gram silver hammered coin at a depth of 23cm.. 3. the deepest target is a 50 euro cent coin at a depth of 37 cm.. ...one thing is also clear... and that... that the big 13x17" coil... brings a depth advantage compared to the standard 11" coil... even on small coins.. Sure, I will continue to work on further improving the CTX setting for deep targets.. ....I did a depth test of the CTX 3030 with a large coil with a modified coin program on my test field.. I modified the coin program,,, not only with regard to the good depth of detection, but also to the maximum stability of the ID on deep targets... in this test, I set the sensitivity to the lowest limit -/19/..at which the CTX 3030 with a large coil... still reliably detects the deepest target - 50 euro cents at a depth of 37 cm... If I were looking for very small targets..around 5-mm, I would use a standard 11" coil..and also focus on choosing the correct most sensitive CTX channel for such targets..from my tests it is channel 11..

The gold coin is a really wonderful find... Congratulations Andrew... 🤝 ....and you need a lot of luck to find them... but often you need to have skill to find the next one.....👍 ...

First of all, there is competition from other producers of detectors... whose detectors have round coils of this size - and which guarantee optimal depth *3D separation ... and still maintain a good detection depth for freely placed targets and better resistance to EMI than standard 11 " coil and where another plus will be the smaller weight of the coil and the very good ergonomics of the Manticore detector.. You may remember the times when we asked for a 9" round coil for the Equinox 800 here on the Detector prospector forum...

With the separation test in the first row, you have to realize...what type of separation is involved....I divide separation into 3 types... ...The first type is a Flat 2D separation test - let's say a Monty performance nailboard type Test where the coin and the nails are placed in one plane... - and the places you meet are places like Ghost Town or even stones on the road ... where coins and keys and other iron are stored shallowly at approximately the same depth. The tested detector must be able to handle 2D separation well...but often a smaller DD or concentric coil will help in this type of separation..the interesting thing is that the tested detector may not be good at 3D deep separation...-but it can be good at 2D separation.. The second type is the 2.5 D separation test, where the coin and the iron are on the surface from the side, but the coin is buried about 5-8 cm deeper... and at the deep ... level of the coin, additional iron can be deposited... In the field, you can very often encounter such a situation, mostly in the rocky terrain of a field or forest....but also in agricultural fields, which are often worn and in demand objects, but also iron in the ground, every time they modify their position, they often change their position... In this test, the detector must handle the 2D separation well...but, among other things, it must also match the 3D separation well...to achieve good results in this test...coils of size 5-9" can prove themselves well in such a separation. The 3rd type of separation is 3D depth separation where the coin is placed at a depth of 10,15,20. cm..and the iron is placed on the surface from the side or even several pieces of iron from several sides above the coin.. This is a typical ancient place where many lived civilizations and coins and iron are stored in different layers of the terrain ..... Only detectors with exceptional 3D depth separation will give really good results here... and such detectors can detect targets 15-20 or more cm deep .... between iron.. It may be a surprise that the best detection coils here are 9"-11"... From my point of view, I do not underestimate any of these 3 types of separation test....and quite the opposite....if the tested detector successfully passes the 2D flat, 2.5D shallow and 3D deep separation test...then I consider this detector to be really successful. .. ...In real detection, the experience of testing that can optimize the detector setting for the best possible separation and correct sweeping with the coil ... will translate relatively quickly to good results in detection in such an environment..v. terrain heavily loaded with iron where good targets are still disguised... In this video, I tested and detected with the detector on an old stone road... with a strongly set discrimination to + 26 so that I completely removed the aluminum foil signal... but still maintained excellent unmasking on very small silver hammered coins that give VDI 35-40... Such a detector setting will allow you to fully concentrate on detecting the desired targets that have the right VDI targets....

I have a simple question.....find a VLF detector that can detect 0.1 gram of gold under an ironstone....? And in this case, the VLF detector cannot beat a good PI detector... with a certain type of detection, the PI detector always wins ... ...so everything depends on how high the stones are mineralized....

Steve....he did what everyone expects...and kept only 3 detectors that he will use really often... Maybe it will wait for me too... Here I want to tell Steve...not to leave the testing of new detectors aside....His opinion on new detectors is always very important to me...as well as his observations regarding real detection experiences...and results...with such a machine...👍 Steve's ..periodical detectormy guide is always very interesting and up-to-date ...bulletin in which I receive information first-hand...👍 I still stick with all my detectors ... and I'm not getting rid of a single one ... even if some will be used really sporadically ... and maybe more often for testing an interesting detection situation ... and also as a technical encyclopedia of detection technology, which is still at hand....but the truth is that using 3-4 really good detectors is really enough for the time I have now for detection...plus some other new detector /VERSA/which I am testing... ...you want these detectors to bring you the joy of detection... That's the bigger part... of my detectors in the video... maybe 5-6 pieces that are stored differently...

...with the Equinox 800, when the recovery speed is changed, the value of the ground balance will also change...so in more difficult terrains, it's easy to remember it...

I like the VERSA very well in practical detection, and I can find new targets in areas covered by other detectors... the first practical test of VERSA was on Multifrequency in the Park program, which is sensitive to low conductive targets.... ....the terrain was heavily traversed by ATREXw hit diferent coils , ORX and Equinox800 detectors... after about an hour of detection, VERSA unmasked the new target... the signal was both-sided, even with controls up to the cros of 90 degrees and good VDI from both sides.. I think that the Spanish Pedro II. hammered silver coin from the year 1185 ... would be the strength of any detectorist ... because in this area it is extremely difficult to find another coin target ... you can find here with luck a small piece of lead or bronze, but even a small coin target is super hard to find here... and unmask in iron.... after about another half hour ..I managed to unmask another very small silver target.. finding two silver targets in 2 hours of detection is a good start... so VERSA in First Detection on Multifrequency met my expectations and found other interesting targets... and my, so to speak, natural but very demanding test field... I will write about my second detection from VERSA.....

I always believe in the technical possibilities of detectors...when separating in iron...and in addition to the fact that the detector must be separated quickly...to further improve the separation properties, it must also have the possibility of using a high frequency from 30 kHz and higher...so that the separation she has improved significantly... I am giving a small comparison of the new VERSA detector on the 23DD coil in the Monte performance nailboard test on a small 13 mm -1.6gram gold coin.../2 pesos 1945/ - the size and weight of the smallest US dollar type 1853...really demanding target..!!! Testing showed that the use of a 1F high frequency. 40 khz.. /14 points out of 16 max/- significantly improves the separation compared to the position of the 1F frequency 18.4 khz.. /8-9 points.. out of 16 max/ in this type of test..

The day before yesterday, I received the Rutus VERSA...,, the detector is really solidly processed... and ergonomically very well made.... What's also good is that I have both available coils for it - an 11" standard coil and a smaller 23DD coil... so I can do testing and detection on both coils and compare their capabilities to each other...

Daniel. on Spectra V3i.. you can use 3 things to eliminate Emi... 1. use the Offset Frequency function ..and find the most stable channel of 3Fmultifrequency /or also F1 frequency/.. 2. use TX Bost ON and at the same time reduce the level reduce the RX gain level.*/ rx gain 5-8 max!!!/.. so the detector gains stability in EMI... and at the same time you can also obtain a deep range... even in various mineralized terrain... provided you use the correct high ground filter... I would keep the sensitivity of DS at the level of DS 88 and DS 92 to obtain the best depth of detection.. 3. use band pass type ground filters - these are more resistant to emi.. and 5Hz band, 7.5Hz band, 10 Hz band, or 12.5 Hz band filter. _according to the level of mineralization of the terrain... and also set Modulation of sound ... to a low value up to 3 max ... then the detector does not amplify weak audio signals,, ...a 12.5hz high filter can also be very resistant to EMI, but it is very shallow.../it is good in 2D separation/ One more thing. For fast operation of the detector, set the recovery delay to 25-30.max. in combination with a 10hz band filter or a 12.5hz band filter. max, and the V3i Spectra is fast enough but also deep enough... if you work in mix mode, you can also use a faster SAT...for example on value 15-20 SAT....and the detector will process targets from the static all metal channel faster....

Daniel... there is a simple modification of the XLT... by inserting a capacitor where you can also use coils for DFX/MXT... A colleague has an XLT modified like this... and so he can use both types of coils.... if I manage to find the modification scheme... I will post it here... XLT modification.. The basis of the modification is to place one 0.1 microF capacitor between the green and white cable of the coil connector and activate it with a switch..... So by activating the switch .. you activate the circuit with the capacitor and you can use MXT/DFX coils... And vice versa. with the switch off, you use basic coils for XLT...

So I'm glad that Garrett put this 6" concentric coil on sale... for the Goldmaster 24K... especially because it will be easily available here in Europe... I confess... that I've already been several times thumb on the trigger..to buy it .overseas ..from USA...for my Goldmaster 24K....but even there it was not easy with the availability or shipping of this coil.. ...Garrett proves here again....that he is a major player in the detector market..so....thumbs up...for this information...👍

Steve is right in that...if Minelab can put on the market a multi-frequency coil similar in size to the Vanquish for a hundred dollars....and the same size coil on the Manticore will cost 350 dollars, the price is quite high.. here you have to realize that the Manticore is a high-end detector... and the accessories will cost more... than for other minelab models... more or less everything will cost as for the CTX303O model... if you are buying a luxury car.... also consider the costs of accessories.... it won't be a big problem for professional detectorists... they will find their own and the coils will be paid for... but ordinary detectorists... I will have to spend a little money on new coils.. everything is relative..... I'm a big fan of additional detector coils... especially if they're reasonably priced..... and now you can guess which of these coils has already found some gold coins and which hasn't...

In a few days I should have the Rutus VERSA for testing... so I will do the tests that interest me... and then I will be able to write more about it... An important element of VERSA testing will also be practical detection on different types of terrain... in Spain... where I will be working for at least 3 months... this year...

...Rutus VERSA enables the detector to work in either Multifrequency/4-40 khz/-10 channels or on 1 frequency from 4 to 40khz.. in steps of 0.2khz or 0.6khz.!!! In Rutus *VERSA* of the first channel /1/ static-All metall - Similar to ATREX, you can edit: Strength of *Static channel 1-30..., SAT setting 0-20, VCO setting 0-20, as well as the strength and tone of the Threshold, There are enough settings to adjust the characteristics of the static channel to the type of detection... - which I really use very well... according to my detection style... In the second /2/dynamic channel.. you can adjust the settings: detector sensitivity setting 1-30, discrimination setting-30-0-+90, also notch setting, iron volume 0-20, recovery speed1-8, detector volume 1-30, audio gain-amplification of weak signals/modulation/, Audio number of tones in audio-or audio pitch tone ...

According to everything, Rutus VERSA still does not work in Stereo MIXED mode, but it offers independent settings of the Static and Dynamic Detector channels in its various MIX detection programs, even in each of these programs independently.

now something about my Rutus VERSA testing....