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A motor is an inductor. A coil is an inductor. The analogy is that unplugging an inductor in a modern device while running may result in damage to certain driving circuitry, unless additional protections are applied. Someone looking to maybe restore or play with an old, or unknown detector may want to keep the coil plugged in, that's all. If you need Geotech to give you a clearer answer, then maybe deep down you're not so sure? ?

It just depends on the device. If you unplug a DC motor while operating, the motor stops nothing happens. Unplug a stepper motor while operating, the driver fries. Do they have fancy drivers that won't burnout when disconnected during use? Yes, but they may cost over 10 times as much. Both these motors used in this example are inductors (similar to a detector coil) being currently implemented in 2018 designs controlled by modern solid state devices. Some may chose to save money vs having the ability to yank wires out from operating machinery. There are probably a lot of older detectors that should stay plugged into the coils just to be safe. Most newer detectors are probably safe to remove, but read the manual to be sure. They coil is part of some sort of circuit, even though it's interchangeable. Unplugging the speakers from a stereo tube amplifier or guitar amplifier can be catastrophic, it doesn't mean it's a bad design. The speaker is "removable" by necessity, to physically locate the speaker away from the amplifier, (sound familiar?) this lead to this modern way of thinking that we should be able to do something that wasn't originally intended. This probably started with the quick disconnects as typically wires attached to speakers with screws give the impression that they are semi permanent. The speaker or coil IS part of a system, it's not a peripheral device even though it can be detached by the user.

I'm starting to worry my season may be over. This snow just wont quite leave the ground. Last Sunday was going to be warm enough for a water hunt, then the thunder lightening started happening. oof. I normally would have hung the waders up by now, but water detecting has been the only prospect for some coil time. We could use El Niño this year for sure. Now what? Wait? Maybe get a calendar and start crossing the days off with a big red marker? Write poems about the melancholy despot clinging to my treasure with its cool minty grip?

The few times that I didn't charge the Deus, it still had plenty of power left for a hunt, maybe even two. With the battery load split up over 2 or 3 devices (depending if you use remote or not) it ends up being a pretty efficient little unit. Incidentally if I pick someone up to go detecting, there is a 30% chance I will have to stop so they can buy batteries. The worst is when you get to the rural site and then they realize they needed batteries, or they go flat 20 minutes into the hunt. As the batteries are built in to my Equinox and Deus, I never forget to bring the batteries. If I were to run out in the field, I have a 20,000mAh power bank that will charge at the 2.4 Amp needed for the Equinox and other devices that support it. I could also plug it into the truck. I may actually get one of those really small power banks that is light enough just to plug it in and start detecting. (Deus has one as a option). The Deus is a chatty unit, but if you turn the sensitivity down its easy to hear that there is no EMI being injected into the unit due to being wireless. Processing done in the coil actually removes potential interference and losses associated with running a shielded cable. I think that is a feature of the Xterra too, the wire sends something akin to a line level digital signal that wont be bothered much by EMI or voltage drops compared to analog RF in wires. Perhaps one day XP Deus will fracture their coil into a module that can be removed from the coil, that could be interesting. It would solve the issue of expensive secondary coils, add the option for interchangeable batteries. On the other hand you may lose that "sealed Frisbee" elegance they got going on.

Anybody else notice the SD card reader? Maybe they use that to load the firmware before they assemble it? Although I guess there would be a header on the board for the USB/Charging port. With the case being glued together, I guess it's not much use to us anyway. There doesn't seem to be a SD card present in the Xray either. I hope "they" aren't secretly uploading all my treasure spots lol I mean what else could it be besides a conspiracy.

I'm upset with YOU'RE communication. ?

You know, somehow this was so predictable, that you would turn out to be a blow-hard, when approached with a bit of common sense. Perhaps it was a slip on your, when you revealed that your ultimate goal with this thread is to be "right" about something, rather then just an average detectorist going through a iron spell. These quotes you posted don't correlate what you are saying, first thing they do is roll back the firmware?, not one of those people specifically stated they even tried to turn down the sensitivity. For Pete's sake the last quote is from this forum and says it does the same thing with the 11" lol. So now what, engineers contact all these people to make sure they weren't running 20+ in iron? Engineers go and dig up your site and make sure your not hitting flat iron and horseshoes all the while claiming 2" straight cut nails? The benefit of the doubt has been lost on this one. Telling me to stay focused, as if I was off topic, is rude. It's one thing to disagree, but when you start playing these games you lose some credibility.

My point is you had a problem with the first firmware, so what are you comparing it too? Do you have a time machine in which you've tried a future version? I said I haven't used mine much, but you haven't asked me how many hours. Having a debate about who is entitled to have an opinion about a coil without that information is silly. Like going off half-cocked to the engineers. If we are 5 pages in and still isn't apparent what the problem is, how do you expect the engineers to do anything for you with such poorly explained information. Bunch of rumors, I read this, and this guy did that, wheres the beef?, give them/us something to work with.

Did you try the wayback machine? https://archive.org/web/

In your first post you said you were "still" having problems with the 6" coil after update.

I get a bit of "up averaging" with the 11" at times, I like it.

I refrained from doubting to much because they did change the silver coin on edge thing. That being said in the future we should start a thread like this before going straight to the engineers. We could help affirm if a problem is real, perceived, market wide or anecdotal based on specific conditions. Based on Cabin's finds and even my short experience (Still snowed in here) I would say the coil is fine. I haven't frequented other forums to read if there is a problem or not, so I guess it's news to me. Since this is the only user on this forum having a problem while dozens of others haven't noticed anything, I guess I wont get too excited. The problem is sometimes people create an issue where there isn't one, run straight to a forum to tell us how they have the engineers scrambling. That is why I asked what settings where used, when I really want to say have you swung a FBS for any length of time and do you know what you are doing? Think about it, Joe Schmoe buys his first detector expecting 100% accurate TID, of course he/she will think there is a problem when they dig that first bent nail. Context is everything.

The Equinox really likes that style of earring for some reason. Nice.

Good morning Mr. pocket.

Well I am talking about the Deus because it is the only wireless machine within the basis of reality, which is where I happen to live. You're acting like other detectors don't have electronics at all. If it's in the coil, who cares. You haven't actually demonstrated one real world scenario where the electronics in the coil has caused an issue that a wired coil would have avoided. As far as failure rates, I'm not falling for the "gotcha" type questioning. Of course I don't have access to the literal number of failures and neither do you. It's such a loaded question, failure rate has as much to do with execution as it does complexity of the device. After 10 years of sales, it's rare to see anything on the internet in regards to a broken Deus. Your points of debate are very 2009.

The sky is falling is it? That is a strawman argument. The electronics in the coil of the Deus have proven to be reliable. Now what? Go to google and actually try and find a broken Deus. The Xterra had a wire and electronics in the coil, oh no! When the wire on a coil fails, it usually fails at the stress relief entering the coil, a spot not easily fixed. It was merely an anecdotal benefit of not having to fix a wire, same as headphones. You go through so many metal detectors its sad you don't appreciate quality when you see it. Its probably the best built machine on the market. If Deus didn't have a patent on it, there would be more companies "messing about" with wireless coils. These machines can run headless, and that is cool.

OK if the snow melts back a bit I will try it. I didn't notice anything weird, but dont have a whole lot of time on the 6" yet.

Not any worse then other machines. Iron can mean a lot of things. You haven't mentioned your settings. ID is for coin sized objects only.

Sunsabitches

Wireless coils aren't really needed if you have wireless headphones, although it's still pretty cool. After having a Deus for a while, I can't say that any downsides materialized. If you don't mind audio only sans-screen it's the only way to go, such a bare bones setup, it's like its not even real lol. It's like a tool or implement, perhaps weapon, not a detector. If you're the type that must have a screen, then I agree the wireless coil may not offer as much of an advantage, other then snagging less brush, easier to clean and using multiple headphones. (Which can also be done with the Equinox WM-08 module.) Also I might add that the lack of a wire reduces the risk of breakdown because the wire is usually the vulnerable part of the coil. Admittedly they wires on most coils are of good quality and don't really fail under normal use if you take care to leave some slack at both ends. Consequently a Deus is easy to break down and setup because there is no wire to carefully wind up. As far as the built in battery, AFAIK they can be serviced, if you actually use your machine you will get an insane amount of detecting done before having to replace the battery. Years. If you're the type that stores a bunch detectors in a spare room, only to charge them once a year, then maybe a model that doesn't have a built in battery is better suit. Now as far as cost of coils, there are a lot of regular coils that are basically the same price as a wireless coil, so that argument is moot depending on the actual coil shape you want. Personally I don't need a huge array of coils, so as long as the option is there to have 2 or 3 decent suitable coils, that is fine. I can only swing one coil at a time and too many choices can be paralyzing, IMO. As mentioned by Goldpick an extra coil makes an extra machine if you already have two headphones, or headphones and the remote. It's something for sure. When I switched from the Deus to the Equinox as a primary machine, I knew I may miss the wireless coils slightly. In reality I don't miss them during use, since I wanted the screen just for the sake of adjusting things it's OK to have a wire linking the coil and the screen. Slightly more work to clean and setup now, though it's a ritual I'm used to. I can't say enough about the Deus, great machine, great experience. I kept my Deus equipment when I got the Equinox because I like it so much. It's a top shelf backup, great lightweight loaner for the nieces and nephews etc. In reality, if there was a significantly better machine then the Equinox that had wired headphones, wired coil and cost twice as much I would buy it. I am not a mainstream customer consumer, I consider myself to be in the upper echelon of detectorists. It's not arrogant, you have to know where you stand in relation to your competitors to be successful. Consequently, machines may get designed for the masses no matter how much I stomp my feet, it's a fine line. It's like that old debate about cordless tools, it just depends on the job. There are times when a big heavy corded saw is the way to go, other times a cordless saw does the job. If a cordless saw will always do the work for you, then why drag around a heavy corded one? If a cordless saw isn't up to the job, then a big heavy corded saw would be more welcome. I especially love how the Deus coil never shuts off, it blinks all winter long ready to go, such enthusiasm.

I have a couple of Crotals Ridge, I suppose they are similar in shape, however there is no clacker inside. I suppose it's possible it was iron and rusted away.

Thats right, survival of the fitness. ?

That is the thing, they should have completely grided the island with metal detectors before the spent money on the big equipment. They would have a better lay of the land, bound to recover clues one way or the other. I'm watching the second episode now, by the way the music is playing, they are going to find the treasure any minute.

Very nice relics, good going.

Isn't that something lol.