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The words are those of Eric Foster who first designed the flat (spiral) coils back in the 80's. If the coil wire is not bunched into a tight bundle and laid flat instead (either singularly or in layers), then its flat wound. Its a very common term within technician circles because various other EM coils use the same layout. Maybe the techs dont use tech terms to laypersons???....dunno. Thanks for the input, its cool to hear your take on it, especially your in-field observations. Trevor F has muddied the water by not knowing the terms either. Im sure they will all work 100% but the theory is that flat wound is better for medium sized coils as evidenced by ML using them for the 6000.

Bottom of the handle....logic. No movement, no hidden iron objects (looking for a target thats already on your pick magnet), better balance and plus, it makes you think about using the magnet more thoughtfully coz you gotta target the magnet over your pile to find the signal. Helps with pinpointing skills lol

Ah OK, so nuthin 'official' from Rohan. But based on your in field testing you suspect its just a bundle wound coil...Interesting and a bit disconcerting. The X6 still uses MPS (dunno about DVT but I suspect it does) so the design parameters appear to be the same as the earlier GPX units anyway, just with added geo-feedback and filtering/code adjustment on the fly. The 11" mono and 14DD supplied by ML both have layered flat-wound designs so its obviously whats supposed to be used with it, at least in the smaller sizes. The larger and smaller coils will obviously need to be bundle wound due to size constraints and signal saturation as you rightly suggest. Given your top notch field testing results, Im still sure we will get a great coil regardless, but just curious as to why the bundle wound style was used instead of the flat wound which appears to be what the 6000 is meant to use in regards to the small-medium sizes....

With your gold sizes, the environment you will be detecting in, plus your experience with the GM1000....the choice is obvious: The GPX6000 with a narrow coil (the Goldhawk 10x5 or Xceed 12x7). Forget the 17" ellip mono for now....you wont need it in your circumstances. Even an SDC2300 with a 10x5 coil should be better than a Monster....

Hey JP, has Rohan told you if the 12x7 and 15x10 Xceed coils are flat wound or not? Dual layer or stacked? Seems to be some confusion going on at the moment re the upcoming new aftermarket 6000 coils....

Nah, the 4500 was amazing once it was modded. I figure that the improvement from un-modded to modded was 50% of what the 6000 is capable of. I got so much gold on old spots I surprised myself. But, the extra 50% is what I'm chasing so the 6000 is the way to go. I suspect that either your 11" coil is faulty (not uncommon) or you have way more EMI than I have here...

The 6000 was designed for use with flat wound coils. The 11" is flat wound as is the transmit winding on the 14DD. NF is making flat wound coils I understand, at least in the 2 larger sizes. If all your Goldhawk coils are simply bundle wound, then you have lost a huge proportion of your potential sales instantly. I cannot imagine you have lost this obvious point whilst the coils were in development? Simply put, are the Goldhawk coils made the same way as the earlier Elite coils? The 9" Elite is a great coil and is flat wound. I would imagine that all that is needed is to match the required inductance and resistance values that the 6000 demands and then add the coded chip supplied by Minelab? Sounds easy lol

ALL coils are NOT flat wound? That goes against the original ML parameters for the 6000. I would hope thats a typo/mistake as the 9" round and the 14x9 SHOULD be flat wound....there's room in the coil shell, just like the Elite coils for the previous GPX series... The 10x5 HAS to be bundle wound of course.

Yeah Reg,,,,there's nuthin like having confidence in a detector that you KNOW will find the good stuff on flogged ground! Pure profit is now only an ounce or so away

Another 1.1gm today, so 8.3gm all told for 8 days ownership. All within 5 minutes of home. 31.7 grams to go.....

I know Reg... me and you started waaaay back in the 80's and multi-gram and multi ounce pieces were then common. Not so much now....Ive had to re-evaluate what I think due to the ever decreasing size of 'regular' gold. No way would I have ever thought that I'd be saying this now either...back then. Unless we get new access to a private property, or we finally get the actual, real deep-seeking detector that can focus on those big, deep lumps, my pathetic 1 grammers are my only solace on the 'nugget' horizon.

I prefer to call small gold 'bits' instead of 'nuggets'.....over a gram and I'll certainly call em the N word lol. Unless a few multi gram pieces turn up, I reckon Ive got another 6 weeks or more until it pays itself clear. Im happy with that. Minelab or hopefully Nokta will continue to push the envelope and get some good tech for us in coming years....we all know that there is plenty of deeper ground with deeper gold out there. If the new machine provides an extra 30% improvement each time, they will sell detectors. I see a GPZ replacement (still Bi-Polar PI) with GeoSense and CC coils in the future.... There's already a guy in Western Australia selling a shaft-lock replacement for the 6000. Looks suspiciously like a tent pole clamp. Maybe thats all that is needed! Yeah I'll get AU$560 for the 7.1gm easy.

Well, the 1st week of 6000 fun is now done....the result is 45 bits of gold weighing 7.19 grams...just shy of quarter ounce. Upside is that most locations that I've flogged to death are producing gold again and I've gotten used to the low groan signals that indicate deeper small gold. Biggest bit so far is just .71 grams and that was @ 8" deep. I'm sure the sizes will improve soon lol. Only downside is that the stem lock is now starting to loosen...I'll blame the 14DD coil as it provides a lot more canting movement due to its width. Its like it has worn down the grip coz of the numerous re-adjustments. There's a lot to love though...low weight (crucial for me coz of my damaged shoulder), reduction in ground noise, ease of use, the excellent 14DD coil near powerlines and just sheer performance on small gold. 32.9 grams to go.....

The term comes from the first 2 syllables Con-Cen-tric. CC.....as in the better lookin Cousin of DD

Now just imagine what a 6000 could do with a CC coil. The 6000 runs DD coils with twin windings so nuthin to suggest that a CC coil (also with twin windings) wouldn't be able to run successfully.

Ive been using my 14DD solely for the past 3 days yes, its very stable indeed! Very sensitive all right and although a bit heavier, Im getting used to it. I'll switch back to the 11" in a day or two. The seam on the 14DD is just a join mark from the injection molding formers when the shell was manufactured. Nuthin to worry about...

My mate has an issue with his 6000 11" coil and has put up with it for a year! He couldnt run it at more than 5-6 but with mine I run it at 8-10 most days. The cable inlet was touch sensitive too, indicating a fault right away. His 6000 was way more unstable than mine. He often did a couple dozen tunes per afternoon....I rarely do any at all, even within 30m of a powerline.

There's been plenty of days with $0.00 wages, unless ya count the lead shot...but @ AU$1.50 per kilo, there's just a few cents in the 181 bits of lead Ive found so far Just as well the gold turns up most days....

The march continues! Another 8 bits for the kitty...1.3 grams. Im up to 4.6gm now. 35.4gm to go. 31 bits in only 6 afternoons, 24 hours spent detecting. I also found a 1927 silver threepence today which was a nice surprise....

Touch wood....mine is absolutely flawless, stable, both coils work 100%, stem doesnt lose lock, headphones are quiet plus it finds gold where it shouldn't be.... Mine is so good that I suggested a mate sell his 1st release one and buy a current one! If mine is anything to go by, the current run is excellent. The dealer I got it from suggested he hasn't had any issues with any 6000's so far this year. They must have gotten the issues solved at Plexus finally

No probs with magnets near the electronics coz there's no emission from it....magnets are passive. But I have noticed that my 6000 reacts to my pick being dropped onto the ground a lot, especially if it falls on a quartz rock....now thats sensitive!

I have yet to try that also Simon....we should compare notes lol. Ive wanted to trial my 35 year old Hanimex dynamic headphones on the 6000 but Ive lost my 6mm-3.5mm adapter somewhere....

My hearing appears to be none the worse for 6 years of being a No.2 on an M60, bomb monkey on an 82mm mortar and other assorted loud Govt toys....plus detecting for 40 years with headphones every single time....I must have stainless steel ear drums....

We're also all waiting on smaller DD coils.....

I agree, its a damn calm, smooth machine and everything works! "You're going to have to work twice as hard tomorrow you've shot under par with half a gram today!" I promise I'll get into 'production mode' tomorrow just so I don't disappoint anyone...