Tom_in_CA

Ditto

Our friend Dave got a keeper. A #4 small phoenix button. Type 1 style 1. Also two dropped pistol balls. Touching the Spanish/Mexican period of CA history. Nice going Dave !

"Collected" ? As in not-dug ? If so, how many of those were found via metal detecting ?

Utterly stunning ! You are touching the earliest history of your area. Congratz !

I got three small PBs. #6, #8, and # 14 . All are common. But I'll take 'em. These little boogers are fun to find . I also got one of those bird-cage ball type ball buttons. But mine was crushed, and lacked the connector cross-bar. Leave it to Cal Cobra to rain on my parade, eh ? Fun Hunt Brian. Glad we could get out. Nice way to start the year. You skipped over clad, barbers, seateds, etc.... And went straight to touching the earliest era of CA history. Love the preview of signals/audio. The live reveals, etc.... Good job.

Probably says "London Fine", "extra fine" or "Sure Fine" , or some such gilt button markings. I also got one of those bird-cage cuff-link buttons . But mine was crushed. And didn't have that little cross-bar cufflink connector. That mean old Brian always has to one-up me, eh ? Tsk tsk

KS1652, zincoln is right : That lasted all of a few months. Perhaps all of a few dozen persons. And it post-dated the massive emigrant traffic (gold rush). So don't be fooled by its proximity to the east/west emigrant traffic. I don't think it had much traffic for travel-purposes (which is what you want if you're angling for coins). Don't be fooled by the term "town". That was a loose term in those days to just mean any cross-roads or wherever a few structures were thrown up. Not like in the sense of how we think of "town" or "village" today. Ie.: With laid out streets, etc... Also don't be fooled by the Paher mention of "2 hotels" : Back then anyone who let-out the rear bedroom of a shack, that was considered a "hotel". Not like we think of "hotel" in today's terms, with multiple rooms for set-aside purpose in a set-aside building, etc... My buddies and I passed by there, looked at the foundations, but elected to not even bother stopping. We were on our way elsewhere, that had actual traveler-purpose and longer-run-history. But seeing as how you're only a few hours from there : By all means, work the snot out of it. Even though it's no secret (and has no doubt been md'd before), yet .... ya never know. If you find anything worthwhile there, let us know.

I never get tired of rim-fire shells (henries, etc...). When you're finding those, then the seated coins can't be far behind 🤪

We see lots of each other's show & tell finds, but I always love to see landscape location hunt-site pix too. It puts the finds in context !

ahh, ok. I always heard the "urban legend" to never have metal inside the microwave oven. I didn't know that metal inside a liquid is a different scenario. Very interesting. Thanx !

Brian, I got to 8:40 in the video, and then yelled at my computer screen ! You had me in suspense for 2.5 days now, waiting for the reveal. Haha Congratz dude ! 3 PB's in a single hunt. If it were me, I'd work on it further to coax the # off of it. But I understand and respect if you want to leave it "good enough". Like Bodie: In an "arrested state of decay" haha Nice going !

And: Tom slick means to "zap" the petri dish of hydrogen peroxide in the microwave to just-bring-it to a boil. Remove the petri dish from micro-wave, and drop the button in. He did not mean to put the button in to the microwave and turn on the microwave 🙂

There is a nasty evil rumor afloat that Cal Cobra is not done with his show & tell post. 😬

As far as Brian's Large #28 phoenix button, this turned out to be a real fun one. On his chart link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rX9XFCFw-SKRiUFZfdtzFg7GIjUwzoJJ/view His is the Type 1, Style 2, #28 large. Which , as you can see, is among the rarest. There is subtle differences in the phoenix bird's body and the crown. But the easier tell-tale is the flames beneath the bird. Note in red, the difference of the flames :

Re. the type shank on Brian's silver button (which is same as on my flat plain button). According to this chart, they would be the type A shank. Which , as you can see, is 1700s. Nice !

I got my b*tt kicked on this trek. I was using my Explorer, and accidentally broke off the rabbit ears off my 11" pro coil . Had to hike back to civilization, get my spare machine (Deus). Lo & behold my wireless headphones were not charged 😡 Fortunately I had wired cell-phone type earbuds. So I could use that (instead of external speaker). But it is awkward d/t I have to be careful with each dig not to put my knee into the breaking that. But even after an hour's delay in my start-time, I have to say that Brian was still "on-fire". And to his credit, he had chosen a hunt zone by research prior to this trek: Studying satellite images and realizing that there was some naked terra firma, hidden further back in the trees/brush. That wasn't far from prior producing zones. So he knew *right* where he wanted to go. And it paid off. I was impressed ! It's a new chapter in our evolving collection/story from this site. Here's my humble 4 buttons. And motley age indicators . The buttons, left to right are : a) ball bird-cage style cufflink button, b) flower design flat button, c) underwear button (so-called), and d) plain flat button. Also a pix of the junk. Not much. Not too punishing.

Exactly. This is why I keep offering to autograph Brian's metal detector. I mean, gee , After all, it's not every day you get to have a legend autograph your detector. Right ? But for some reason, Brian keeps saying "no thank you" 🤨

You get extra atteboy points for depth !

Great post. Great pix. Thanx !

Wow . A cat ! I'm jealous. I've never found a cat before. How deep was it ? 😎

Clay-D : Well I'm glad you've removed this "written" permission thing from at least "most states". I would venture to say ALL states. But .. oh well , you go on to say that : It's *still* a good idea to get it written. And you list horrors that could befall us otherwise. Eg.: ".. easily leave you floating on air again. ... " I am wondering why we wouldn't apply these same lists of worries to any other activity ? Eg.: If you invite your neighbor over for a BBQ. Everything you're saying could equally be said of that too. So I don't know why md'ing is in such a class, as if it's dangerous, harmful, abhorred, risky, and "at imminent risk of cops demanding your written permission". Why this starting premise ? I happen to think that our hobby is harmless, benign, safe, etc.... And to be honest with you, the average passerby could give 2 sh#ts about a man with a detector in a cow pasture. Why this fear that everyone rushes to card us ? As if anyone cares less ? On the contrary : Just like your neighbor who comes to your house to watch the super bowl, verbal is just fine. You say : ".... but that doesn't address the separate questions of digging ..." Well why stop there ? Let's include the words "alter" and "deface", plus "harvest" and "collect" and "remove", to automatically construe to apply to us too. Then I can save us all some time : Boiler plate verbiage like this exists on EVERY SPECK OF PUBLIC LAND across the USA. Yup, every school, beach, park, forest, desert, etc..... Yet oddly, there's no shortage of md'rs who detect all such places. And "dig" and "take" their targets (and no one cares less). Hundreds of show & tells daily on md'ing forums from such places. Right ? So what are we to make of this ? Are we all just law-less miscreants ? 🧐 Do NOT fall victim to the old : "No one cared UNTIL you asked" psychology 🥵 As far as treasure troves : Ok, sure : I have no doubt that if any of us stumbled on to a jar of gold coins in any city or county park, or any state or federal land, and then subsequently waltzed in asking desk-jockies : "Hi, can I have this ?", that : Yes ! You will find someone to tell you "no". OK, and the moral of this story is ...... ? 🤔

Locator : I see oodles of show & tell posts from guys hunting in Germany. From all ends of Germany. I'm assuming that they've all gone and "gotten permission from authorities" ? Or ... ? 🤔

skullgolddiver, when it comes to the platitudes of lawyers, fines, sued, etc... : These slogans get tossed around frequently in these discussions . But what's odd is, whenever you ask the person for cases of such things, you tend to hear the "sound of crickets". If any examples of such horrors ARE forthcoming, it's invariably someone night-sneaking obvious off-limits sites. Or someone being obnoxious who can't take a warning. Etc..... Not saying to "throw caution to the wind". But just sayin', if we're talking a place where there's NOT a true and express law (and it's just the result of a singular #$$hole griper busy-body ), then ..... seriously .... can you cite any examples of lawyers, finds, suits, etc... ? My guess is "no". Not saying to throw caution to the wind. Perhaps you'll need to "give the place a rest". And perhaps you'll have to avoid the singular #sshole in the future. But the alternative of thinking you/we must 'rush to fight these things' and "seek clarification", can often backfire and bring ALL THE MORE un-wanted attention 🤢

Clay, you say : "....It's legal to detect on any private property with written permission from the owner of the property in the United States...." I would digress: "Written permission" is not required. Verbal is just fine. For example: If you invite your buddy over to your house to watch the super bowl, does your buddy need "written permission" ? Of course not. Verbal is *just fine*. SO TOO is it with md'ing . Since when does md'ing need "written" permission ? Says who ? Where are you getting this supposed stipulation ? I'm very curious. You say : ".... You will need to inquire about each situation.... " And the way to "inquire" (if you're skittish) is to look up laws/rules for yourself. If there's nothing there that says "No md'ing", then presto : Not prohibited. No need to go ask anyone "Can I ?" You say : ".... older than 100 years can not be searched for or kept on any of those federal public lands..." In-so-far as it pertains to various forms of federal land (where md'ing is NOT dis-allowed), SURE 😇 It's allowed, yet only in-so-far as you're in compliance with ARPA. Hence, sure, you're only hunting for modern objects, nuggets, meteorites, etc.... Right ? 🙄 I mean, seriously now : Arpa was to protect *obvious historic sensitive monuments*. We can all agree with that noble concern at such places. Sure, that's the spirit of arpa's intent. Ok, fine: Avoid obvious sensitive historic monuments and archie conventions. You say : "... Treasure hunting is illegal on federal public lands without a special use permit issued by the managing agency....". What is your source for this ? And what is the definition of "treasure" as used here ? You mean caches, right ? Not individual coins, right ? Ok, sure. But if you meant "coins", then no, I disagree. If you have a source that says otherwise, please link it.

skullgolddiver : Point duly noted. I realize that when an injustice is ALREADY IN PLACE, then it *really doesn't matter* HOW it evolved. Ie.: PRIOR to your current predicament. Eh ? So even if the current bruhaha is ONLY because persons PRIOR to this went and swatted hornet's nests (about cultural heritage bologna), then : All you can do is deal with the CURRENT scram. And can't-change-that-past. Right ? Have I understood you correctly ? If so, I understand your lament. So who can fault you for defending yourself and wanting to change the laws. Right ? And we can both agree that it's an uphill battle. And guess whose desk the issue will land on , in any-attempt to change the evolution ? : Purist archies. Hence a further-downward-spiral 😞 I hate to say it, but in cases like this, I would focus on this statement of yours : "....At a certain time the man called the Police with the National Number ...." Notice that THIS is where your troubles started. Right ? So it's really not an issue of the laws/rules he "called down" (and their evolution). It's a function of this lone kill-joy, who chose to be an #sshole, right ? Then if you ask me, our goal, in cases like this, is NOT to "change the laws" (because it will never happen). And it's not to convert this person or others to our point-of-view. Instead, IMHO, it's now our goal to AVOID singular lookie-lous like this. OH SURE ! I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO CONVERT HIM ! I would much prefer to change the laws. GRANTED ! I'm just saying that , it aint likely gonna happen. So my tactic is to 1) give lip service, 2) pay my dues for whatever singular episode occurred , and then 3) do it all over again, but *the next time* avoid said-singular-lookie-lou. Some people might call that "sneaking around". Ok, fine then : SNEAK AROUND 😞