Tom_in_CA

Brian, I got to 8:40 in the video, and then yelled at my computer screen ! You had me in suspense for 2.5 days now, waiting for the reveal. Haha Congratz dude ! 3 PB's in a single hunt. If it were me, I'd work on it further to coax the # off of it. But I understand and respect if you want to leave it "good enough". Like Bodie: In an "arrested state of decay" haha Nice going !

And: Tom slick means to "zap" the petri dish of hydrogen peroxide in the microwave to just-bring-it to a boil. Remove the petri dish from micro-wave, and drop the button in. He did not mean to put the button in to the microwave and turn on the microwave 🙂

There is a nasty evil rumor afloat that Cal Cobra is not done with his show & tell post. 😬

As far as Brian's Large #28 phoenix button, this turned out to be a real fun one. On his chart link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rX9XFCFw-SKRiUFZfdtzFg7GIjUwzoJJ/view His is the Type 1, Style 2, #28 large. Which , as you can see, is among the rarest. There is subtle differences in the phoenix bird's body and the crown. But the easier tell-tale is the flames beneath the bird. Note in red, the difference of the flames :

Re. the type shank on Brian's silver button (which is same as on my flat plain button). According to this chart, they would be the type A shank. Which , as you can see, is 1700s. Nice !

I got my b*tt kicked on this trek. I was using my Explorer, and accidentally broke off the rabbit ears off my 11" pro coil . Had to hike back to civilization, get my spare machine (Deus). Lo & behold my wireless headphones were not charged 😡 Fortunately I had wired cell-phone type earbuds. So I could use that (instead of external speaker). But it is awkward d/t I have to be careful with each dig not to put my knee into the breaking that. But even after an hour's delay in my start-time, I have to say that Brian was still "on-fire". And to his credit, he had chosen a hunt zone by research prior to this trek: Studying satellite images and realizing that there was some naked terra firma, hidden further back in the trees/brush. That wasn't far from prior producing zones. So he knew *right* where he wanted to go. And it paid off. I was impressed ! It's a new chapter in our evolving collection/story from this site. Here's my humble 4 buttons. And motley age indicators . The buttons, left to right are : a) ball bird-cage style cufflink button, b) flower design flat button, c) underwear button (so-called), and d) plain flat button. Also a pix of the junk. Not much. Not too punishing.

Exactly. This is why I keep offering to autograph Brian's metal detector. I mean, gee , After all, it's not every day you get to have a legend autograph your detector. Right ? But for some reason, Brian keeps saying "no thank you" 🤨

You get extra atteboy points for depth !

Great post. Great pix. Thanx !

Wow . A cat ! I'm jealous. I've never found a cat before. How deep was it ? 😎

Clay-D : Well I'm glad you've removed this "written" permission thing from at least "most states". I would venture to say ALL states. But .. oh well , you go on to say that : It's *still* a good idea to get it written. And you list horrors that could befall us otherwise. Eg.: ".. easily leave you floating on air again. ... " I am wondering why we wouldn't apply these same lists of worries to any other activity ? Eg.: If you invite your neighbor over for a BBQ. Everything you're saying could equally be said of that too. So I don't know why md'ing is in such a class, as if it's dangerous, harmful, abhorred, risky, and "at imminent risk of cops demanding your written permission". Why this starting premise ? I happen to think that our hobby is harmless, benign, safe, etc.... And to be honest with you, the average passerby could give 2 sh#ts about a man with a detector in a cow pasture. Why this fear that everyone rushes to card us ? As if anyone cares less ? On the contrary : Just like your neighbor who comes to your house to watch the super bowl, verbal is just fine. You say : ".... but that doesn't address the separate questions of digging ..." Well why stop there ? Let's include the words "alter" and "deface", plus "harvest" and "collect" and "remove", to automatically construe to apply to us too. Then I can save us all some time : Boiler plate verbiage like this exists on EVERY SPECK OF PUBLIC LAND across the USA. Yup, every school, beach, park, forest, desert, etc..... Yet oddly, there's no shortage of md'rs who detect all such places. And "dig" and "take" their targets (and no one cares less). Hundreds of show & tells daily on md'ing forums from such places. Right ? So what are we to make of this ? Are we all just law-less miscreants ? 🧐 Do NOT fall victim to the old : "No one cared UNTIL you asked" psychology 🥵 As far as treasure troves : Ok, sure : I have no doubt that if any of us stumbled on to a jar of gold coins in any city or county park, or any state or federal land, and then subsequently waltzed in asking desk-jockies : "Hi, can I have this ?", that : Yes ! You will find someone to tell you "no". OK, and the moral of this story is ...... ? 🤔

Locator : I see oodles of show & tell posts from guys hunting in Germany. From all ends of Germany. I'm assuming that they've all gone and "gotten permission from authorities" ? Or ... ? 🤔

skullgolddiver, when it comes to the platitudes of lawyers, fines, sued, etc... : These slogans get tossed around frequently in these discussions . But what's odd is, whenever you ask the person for cases of such things, you tend to hear the "sound of crickets". If any examples of such horrors ARE forthcoming, it's invariably someone night-sneaking obvious off-limits sites. Or someone being obnoxious who can't take a warning. Etc..... Not saying to "throw caution to the wind". But just sayin', if we're talking a place where there's NOT a true and express law (and it's just the result of a singular #$$hole griper busy-body ), then ..... seriously .... can you cite any examples of lawyers, finds, suits, etc... ? My guess is "no". Not saying to throw caution to the wind. Perhaps you'll need to "give the place a rest". And perhaps you'll have to avoid the singular #sshole in the future. But the alternative of thinking you/we must 'rush to fight these things' and "seek clarification", can often backfire and bring ALL THE MORE un-wanted attention 🤢

Clay, you say : "....It's legal to detect on any private property with written permission from the owner of the property in the United States...." I would digress: "Written permission" is not required. Verbal is just fine. For example: If you invite your buddy over to your house to watch the super bowl, does your buddy need "written permission" ? Of course not. Verbal is *just fine*. SO TOO is it with md'ing . Since when does md'ing need "written" permission ? Says who ? Where are you getting this supposed stipulation ? I'm very curious. You say : ".... You will need to inquire about each situation.... " And the way to "inquire" (if you're skittish) is to look up laws/rules for yourself. If there's nothing there that says "No md'ing", then presto : Not prohibited. No need to go ask anyone "Can I ?" You say : ".... older than 100 years can not be searched for or kept on any of those federal public lands..." In-so-far as it pertains to various forms of federal land (where md'ing is NOT dis-allowed), SURE 😇 It's allowed, yet only in-so-far as you're in compliance with ARPA. Hence, sure, you're only hunting for modern objects, nuggets, meteorites, etc.... Right ? 🙄 I mean, seriously now : Arpa was to protect *obvious historic sensitive monuments*. We can all agree with that noble concern at such places. Sure, that's the spirit of arpa's intent. Ok, fine: Avoid obvious sensitive historic monuments and archie conventions. You say : "... Treasure hunting is illegal on federal public lands without a special use permit issued by the managing agency....". What is your source for this ? And what is the definition of "treasure" as used here ? You mean caches, right ? Not individual coins, right ? Ok, sure. But if you meant "coins", then no, I disagree. If you have a source that says otherwise, please link it.

skullgolddiver : Point duly noted. I realize that when an injustice is ALREADY IN PLACE, then it *really doesn't matter* HOW it evolved. Ie.: PRIOR to your current predicament. Eh ? So even if the current bruhaha is ONLY because persons PRIOR to this went and swatted hornet's nests (about cultural heritage bologna), then : All you can do is deal with the CURRENT scram. And can't-change-that-past. Right ? Have I understood you correctly ? If so, I understand your lament. So who can fault you for defending yourself and wanting to change the laws. Right ? And we can both agree that it's an uphill battle. And guess whose desk the issue will land on , in any-attempt to change the evolution ? : Purist archies. Hence a further-downward-spiral 😞 I hate to say it, but in cases like this, I would focus on this statement of yours : "....At a certain time the man called the Police with the National Number ...." Notice that THIS is where your troubles started. Right ? So it's really not an issue of the laws/rules he "called down" (and their evolution). It's a function of this lone kill-joy, who chose to be an #sshole, right ? Then if you ask me, our goal, in cases like this, is NOT to "change the laws" (because it will never happen). And it's not to convert this person or others to our point-of-view. Instead, IMHO, it's now our goal to AVOID singular lookie-lous like this. OH SURE ! I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO CONVERT HIM ! I would much prefer to change the laws. GRANTED ! I'm just saying that , it aint likely gonna happen. So my tactic is to 1) give lip service, 2) pay my dues for whatever singular episode occurred , and then 3) do it all over again, but *the next time* avoid said-singular-lookie-lou. Some people might call that "sneaking around". Ok, fine then : SNEAK AROUND 😞

Skullgolddiver, and everyone else who has contributed to this thread so far : I would suggest to you, that the ONLY reason that such rules/laws exist, that skullgolddiver laments about , is PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THE VERY KNEE-JERK REACTION HE PROPOSES ! (that's been done in the past, and that he proposes to do more of). Yup, at the mere HINT of a "no" or a law or a rule (the mere question asking "is there any rules" or "can I metal detect") has the following reaction : Sure as sh#t, people go asking "Can I ?" type questions to various desk jockeys. After all, *who better to ask, than the bureaucrats in-control of said-location ? Right ? After all, ya can't be too safe, eh ? After all, you "don't want to get arrested", eh ? After all, we need solidarity to fight for rights, eh ? So whenever this has been done in the past, the pressing question gets bandied from desk to desk, until it lands on the desk of a purist archie. And thus PRESTO : A "no" is passed back down. Or a new rule or law is written to "address this pressing issue" 🤔 Same for attempts to "make compedium lists" (that detail the laws/rules of every geographic location) : Guess how people will go about making such lists. SEE ? And then we all sit around lamenting our lack of freedoms. And saying "durned them archies". BUT NO ONE IS EVER ASKING WHAT PUT IT ON THAT ARCHIE'S DESK IN THE FIRST PLACE ! And the answer is : It's us MD'rs ! By going and swatting hornet's nests ! 🤬 Like by the very actions proposed here ! And then if anyone else (oldtimer md'rs) ever says : "Nonsense, it's a non-issue. I detect there all the time. No one cares". Guess what someone else will do to "clarify this matter" ? Yup, you guessed it : Go ask a bored pencil pusher . 🥵 Don't you get it ? Don't you all see the self-fulfilling vicious circle ?? Just like skullgolddiver's thread here, stating his planned intended purpose : To Go talk to archies in the senate. Why is it, that whenever the slightest hint of a "no" surfaces (a single stink-eye, a single fluke scram, a single question on a forum) that IMMEDIATELY we md'rs seem to think that the MORE ATTENTION (petitions and so forth) is a good thing ? Why ? Why can't the LESS attention be the better thing ?? I am of the opinion that the LESS that archies and senates think about us, the better. Not the MORE they think about us. Shheesshhh, It's as if we can be our own worst enemies 🙄

Plat & Chase : Good play-by-play. Good pix. Thanx for bringing us along.

Hey Brian, great to get out and put a few more feathers in our caps. We knew that we were primarily hunting "old news" spots. But that too has its own set of "sport". To add to our site-specific trays, add to the stories, etc.... Like I Got to try out my new Deus (aka "french poodle") @ some iron zones. And we Got to put a "fork" into another site or two. 🤪 Fun trip ! The only correction I would add, is that at 10:26, my reale is said to be 1797. It is 1796. Don't be trying to rob me of 1 yr. bro ! 🤣

Awesome write-up. Awesome pictures. Awesome video. Thanx for bringing us along. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy !

This just goes to show : People can loose the DARNDEST things.

For a mere $100 (I accept PayPal), I can be persuaded not to tell her 😉

Ancient coins that show up in the oddest of places, does NOT mean that it was necessarily lost in-that-period. For example : I know a guy from Monterey, CA, who found an ancient coin, in an oldtown demolition site, which he got ID'd as something like AD 100 (an ancient Roman coin). At no point did he think "Gee, the Romans were here in AD 100 ! ". Instead he assumed it was probably a curiosity pocket piece brought back by a returning soldier after WWI or WWII from Europe. Because coin collecting is not a new phenomenon. There has been ancient coins bought/sold/traded since forever. For example: When Egyptology became "all the rage" in the 1920s, then it wasn't unusual for street vendors in the holy land to hawk ancient coins to tourists, as souvenirs . And while it might seem unusual for someone in modern times to be carrying such an item and lose it via casual fumble fingers, yet : As we know from our hobby : PEOPLE LOSE THE DURNDEST THINGS ! For example: When I was a kid with my first detector in the mid 1970s, I went up and down the parking strips in my 1950s neighborhood, angling for silver coins. Imagine my surprise when I got an 1870s foreign silver coin !! Woohoo ! But never for a moment did I think "Someone was here in the 1870s". Instead I assumed it was a modern loss. How did I know ? Easy : It was still in the bezel ! Doh ! But what if it had fallen out of the bezel ? I knew a guy who found a seated half on the dry sand of a beach here. How did he know it was a modern loss ? Easy : It was still in the plastic sleeve, from the coin-store with the price tag on it. Doh ! So while it is unusual, it is possible that ancient coins do get lost in modern times, for a variety of reasons.

This has been debunked. Those anchor stones, that you speak of, that have been found off the west coast, have been shown to have still been in-use by the Chinese, even up to American period times here (gold rush, when, yes, Chinese came here on ships). Thus they need not point to anything "ancient". Yet for some strange reason, this story continues to circulate. As if .... no one can resist a salacious story about how the Chinese were supposedly here 500 or 1000 yrs. before the Europeans, blah blah.

good pix !

I like the landscape shots, and the gilt button. Nice job .