Compass Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said: All Metal is TOO POWERFUL for heavy magnetite concentrations, overloading the machine. So you have to lower sensitivity to a minimum and pulse delay to a maximum. Even that may not work, so you have to "downshift" to less powerful modes. The far end is Volcanic Mode. That leave Tones and Mute as intermediate choices, with Alexandre indicating Mute may be the better choice between the two. It is counter-intuitive to many people, but the way to deal with intense ground is not to jack the power up, but to tone it down. The problem is not lack of power, but machine overload. Smaller coils are also an aid because the detector is "seeing" too much ground. Another old analogy is that running in magnetite is like driving your car in a snowstorm. High beams leave you blind. Low beams lets you see what is right under your nose. Thanks Steve, I like that "high beam" analogy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compass Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, ALEXANDRE TARTAR said: No because this type of sand is magnetic, we can say ferrous, so the ALL METAL mode detects the variation in thickness of this sand and it sounds everywhere. Thank you Alexandre/Steve, I am more familiar with the Dual Field than with my BeachHunter which I usually hunt with the ground balance "off" and the delay and gain cut back in black sand. Sounds like I should be using the manual ground balance in the black sand similar to using tones/mute on the AQ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALEXANDRE TARTAR Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 55 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said: So in your opinion Alexandre, MUTE would be preferable to TONES in heavy magnetite, heavy but not so bad that VOLCANIC must be used? This is a very good question and I see what you are thinking ... For the gold nuggets reseach with an AQ: In heavy magnetite, the TONE mode and MUTE mode will not work. It does not mask enough. I prefer to talk about cutting or masking magnetic ground rather than talking about balance. You would not be able to easily obtain a ground balance as on the TDI for the search for gold nuggets with the AQ. It's depends of the ATS setting ... Only the volcanic mode can mask correctly this type of ground, but you will hardly find the point of equilibrium because in general you will be well beyond this point when the ground is masked) Much of the very gold nuggets is therefore eliminated due to the attenuation of the signal caused by strong masking. On the wet sand: At the beach when there are concentrations of magnetic sand the detector will sound like an iron nail at this place, so it will make a low pitch in TONE mode. If the sand is made up of different layers that undulate in depth, the bass sound will vary continuously. In Mute mode, the magnetic sand layers are masked (but not balanced, we are not on the point of equilibrium we are well beyond when the ground is masked) This does not prevent finding the gold jewelry. If it's too strong, we must used the VOLCANIC SAND mode. And again, this does not prevent finding the gold jewelry. You will reduce the depth due to the attenuation of the signal caused by strong masking. But we must not forget that for all the other detectors it is a zero inch detection! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALEXANDRE TARTAR Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Here mixed sand is not the most difficult because the mixture is homogeneous. And the FE2O3 % is not important... "ZIT" ZERO INCH TECHNOLOGY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrous Grump Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 My Plans? Beach nourishment has been recently completed to almost all local ocean side beaches within the past 4 years. Aside from fresh drops, the unsettled sand allows heavy targets to sink fast. The waves on most days give me a beating if I try to venture out. So with the AQ, I plan to hunt the shallow water and hit a few swimming holes within the Intracoastal Waterway. Sting Ray a.k.a. Ferrous Grump 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Herschbach Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, ALEXANDRE TARTAR said: This is a very good question and I see what you are thinking ... For the gold nuggets reseach with an AQ: In heavy magnetite, the TONE mode and MUTE mode will not work. It does not mask enough. I prefer to talk about cutting or masking magnetic ground rather than talking about balance. You would not be able to easily obtain a ground balance as on the TDI for the search for gold nuggets with the AQ. It's depends of the ATS setting ... Only the volcanic mode can mask correctly this type of ground, but you will hardly find the point of equilibrium because in general you will be well beyond this point when the ground is masked) Much of the very gold nuggets is therefore eliminated due to the attenuation of the signal caused by strong masking. On the wet sand: At the beach when there are concentrations of magnetic sand the detector will sound like an iron nail at this place, so it will make a low pitch in TONE mode. If the sand is made up of different layers that undulate in depth, the bass sound will vary continuously. In Mute mode, the magnetic sand layers are masked (but not balanced, we are not on the point of equilibrium we are well beyond when the ground is masked) This does not prevent finding the gold jewelry. If it's too strong, we must used the VOLCANIC SAND mode. And again, this does not prevent finding the gold jewelry. You will reduce the depth due to the attenuation of the signal caused by strong masking. But we must not forget that for all the other detectors it is a zero inch detection! Excellent, I'll do some experimenting this week and report back. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 My plan is to dig my AZZ off 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuniagau Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 My plans are to hit this beach if I get it before it gets sanded back in. Only a couple of these green (and some undersized) coins in the picture below, actually hit my Equinox 800 (15 inch coil) as coins. Almost all hit as iron, foil or just a threshold blip. Most were in the 12 to 15 inch range (best guess with wet sand caving in on itself) in sand with a lot of black sand mixed in. There has to be gold in the next layer down under these. Anyway, that is where my first date will be when Miss Impulse comes knocking at my door. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in ma Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I have 2 small fresh water beaches close to home, They were both replenished in the 60s and through the years they have grown in size. I swam at these beaches before and after the replenishment I know the old section. I have detected these areas first with the Xcal then the Xcal with a 15 inch coil moved on to the Infinium witch produced the most gold and silver.I detected until the area was quiet. Then I got the TDI BH started all over again with good deep targets silver and gold. The TDI BH has the area is quiet again , Now it will be very interesting as to what the AQ will see beneath the reaches of the TDI. Some of the targets with the TDI were getting down to the rocky gravel under the sand so I know there in more there just a little deeper. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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