New Minelab Manticore

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I stuck with 50 tones till last spring.  Couldn't take it after a long winter and switched to 5.  I always did suck at detecting!  At first i worked 6 days a week and now I'm lucky to last 2 hours.   

[Cal_Cobra]

14 hours ago, deathray said:

Lol. I remember when he wouldn't give up his Whites Eagle for the explorer, until Ron totally kicked his butt in a bay area park. Hey man, he's KILLER with that explorer 2 now, if it works, it works. Something to be said about knowing a detector like the back of your hand.

One guy( who Tom knows from decades ago) that I hunt with, still uses a Whites 6000, and KILLS it.

That's exactly what he said, Ron changed his mind when he was a White's fan.  No doubt about it, he does well with the Exp2, but it's getting harder to get parts for, a few of his got "splashed" while beach hunting and met their demise, but he keeps finding replacements on craigslist and ebay.  We'll see how he does with the D2. 

[Cal_Cobra]

5 hours ago, phrunt said:

yep, I really struggle with 50 tones, DP on my T2 which is full tones had me sitting inside taking headache tablets when I gave it a go. 

I'm a 5 tones kinda person ? I guess you could call me a target ID hunter, as I rely on them the most except for gold which is mostly dig it all.  I don't think I'm very good at finding coins at all, I'm just lucky to be in a place where it's easy with little to no competition and detectors that can by and large identify my deep coins very well.

I couldn't handle DP on the F75, mostly because it was so digital and artificial sounding, that it was very  unpleasant to the hears.  The few that mastered it did okay with it, but it's just not the same as Minelabs full tone analog like audio where there's no mistaking that deep silver tinkle you get on a deep silver coin.  You just didn't get that on the FTP machines DP audio.  At the end of the day, use what works for you, we all process audio data differently.  

[deathray]

16 hours ago, mn90403 said:

Clad coins make a sophisticated detector go nuts because of the sandwich effect.  The detector sees the types of metals and sounds off on each.  Now our corroded pennies make combinations and surfaces that defeat easy identification or maybe the 5 tones are better because the 'average' sound can amount to a dime, nickel, penny or quarter like the old White's detector with a pointer on a scale to the likely target with subheadings for other relics.

Most of these Manticores are going to be used at previously worked sites, so much of the trash has been removed unless someone knows a specific site where the trash has been saved.

I have never heard this " sandwich effect". What detector are you referring too? I use a D1, run full tones, never had a problem with clad, except that digging clad IS the problem, ha.

[GB_Amateur]

On 11/15/2022 at 10:51 PM, steveg said:

I'm guessing that's EXACTLY what Minelab did...i.e. tease the Manticore release so that some folks "on the fence" might hold onto their 1.5K for a little while...

On 11/15/2022 at 11:55 PM, phrunt said:

It's certainly looking like that's what Minelab have done announce it when it's not even near ready,...

While that is likely part of it, there are others reasons that probably accompany this.  One of them is the optimistic path -- if all the cards fall into place when they're supposed to...  Anyone who has ever built anything from scratch has experienced this -- things almost never go as planned if you don't build in some buffer time, and even then the deadline is missed sometimes.  (This has happened to me, oh, a couple dozen times in my career, and that was probably >90% occurrence.)  Are they lying when they announce the most optimistic case, but don't reveal this qualification?  (Remember, we're talking about marketers who in general, it appears, have slightly different code of ethics than some.)

Another question to ask is: "what does 'release' mean?"  First products sent from the factory?  They still have to reach dealers/middlemen and then the end user.  If you recall when the Nokta Legend started coming out of the factory, they were initially shipping a few units by (expensive) air carriers to get them to their few select testers/promoters.  It took a while (don't remember exactly how long) before the paying customers had them in their hands.  I think the Deus 2 release may have been similar.

November is halfway over and unless something is announced soon, it appears the optimistic path once again has had some muddy spots that have slowed the wagon train.  Hopefully not a mudslide, though.  ?

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I suspect the majority of Minelab customers are in Europe and North America.  If that is the case, planning an early winter release for a new outdoor product is insane.  "By Christmas" was a scam on us customers to manipulate us into not buying something else.

But, there is that dealer in Australia that told customers that he was sending in orders to Minlab and told "His" release was going to be at the end of November with shipment arriving to customers by December 15th.  I'm tempted to email him again and see if that is still his expectation.

[phrunt]

Here's an annual report from 21 to give you a bit of an idea of their footprint.  The world doesn't revolve around North America, nor Europe and now they can't include Russia as they were historically the big part of the Europe market, not so now with Sanctions.  Australia is a tiny population compared to North America yet has half the sales of such a large population.

 

Africa is King! Gold Detectors have been where the money is, The Nox was really their defining point of the coin and jewellery market because of it's performance to price ratio, and the Manticore is following on from that but with a much smaller uptake than the Nox due to the price, more CTX style pricing really so far less buyers.  After the first few months when the flurry of Manticores will sell once it settles down the Nox will probably continue to outsell the Manticore in the future, largely due to price.  Is the Manticore's performance worth than much more than the Nox? Time will tell.  As for build quality other than the annoyance it doesn't overly matter when buying new, you get it replaced anyway for 3 years.

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That sort of blows my theory out of the water, phrunt without a breakdown of hobby detectors vs gold detectors.  I did, just now, send an email to that Australian dealer to see if he is still singing the same tune.  I assume I won't hear anything until tomorrow U.S. time since it is night there now (as you know).

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Diggers den did a youtube teaser about manticore training at an old church.  No manticore swinging thou, just weed eaters.