Minelab Manticore Unofficial Specs And Features Thread

[mn90403]

2 minutes ago, JCR said:

I sure like updateable detectors.

I liked downloading other detectorists programs for the CTX.  It was much easier to compare 'one to one' so you knew all setting were the same.

[Unipin]

30 minutes ago, midalake said:

MORE, from one of the designers of the Manticore.[Tom D.] This will answer some questions. 

Dan..... you ask about the benefits of 'expanded iron ID range'. Manticore has a -99 to 0 iron ID range. Because most of us have never been exposed (had the tools/availability) to a high-resolution iron ID range....... we would (unsuspectingly) never know just exactly 'what' it would/could do for us.
If you are an Archaeologist ...... there's tremendous benefit. Iron implements make up a very large portion of archaeological interest. With this expanded iron ID range.... here are some of the benefits:
* It is SO easy to tell the decomposition-rate/status of the iron you are dealing with.
* If there are 2 generations of iron in the ground........say........ 200-year old iron nails........and 450-year old iron nails.,.,.,.,.,., their decomposition status/rate will be different....and present a very distinct, discernable large ID delta/difference.....that you will see in the Manticore iron ID range.
* Different generations of mankind....have produced different types of iron. Annealed, alloyed, wrought, cast......etc........etc. They all have different conductive bandwidth spans...... that now can be delineated with Manticore.
* When you detect unfamiliar/new territory...... the 'type' of iron and the 'age' of the iron implements. , . , . , can really dictate the era of the area. Hammered square nails,,, cut square nails,,, round (modern) nails ..... all have a different conductive bandwidth that can only be expressed in an expanded iron ID range. (Can you start to see attributes to a hobby detectorist yet).

On the beach....... expanded iron ID is important:
* Stainless jewelry ID's on the high end of the iron ID range.,.,.,.,., usually in the -14 to 0 ID iron range.
* Stainless Swiss Army knifes, Stainless watches...... stainless hardware is in that -18 to 0 iron ID range.
* Nuts, bolts, screws, nails, bobby-pins, fish hooks........ are in the iron ID range of -60 to -20 iron ID range.
* Natural recurring ironstone ID's -98 or -99.
You will see a 'pattern'.... that is very educational/tuitional.

IF you could figure out a way to wire a EQX coil to the new Manticore...... the Manticore would blow/burn it out. Soooo...... coils are NOT interchangeable. (There's also other reasons for incompatibility).
The coil has tighter tolerances....and more stuff in it; hence, soooo........it must be built heavier-duty. The extra 2 heli-arc'd fore-aft curved ribs are not very hydrodynamic; yet, are a necessity.
Coil ears. Would you rather break a few-hundred dollar coil? Or break a $50 lower shaft ((of which NOW has the coil ears on the shaft....instead of the coil)).
Yes..... Sens now goes up to '35'. And yes..... a EQX Sens of '21'..... is fairly equiv to a Sens of '21' on MC.

Manticore is indeed one entire generation (next-gen) above EQX.
For the near-forseeable future..... EQX will remain on the market. EQX is $1000..... MC is $1500. Differing price-points.

If you have an EQX......and you acquire a MC.....,,,,,, the 'transition' will be very comfortable. (Familiar....comfort-zone. , . , . , . , . and by no accident).

A long time ago...... I stated EQX was a continuous/ongoing product AND process. Here it is! Manticore!

50% more power to the coil does not equate to 50% more depth.
There is something else..... that helps make up for this. And..... since it is in a video....that has gone viral......I will share/expound:
One (of the two) MAJOR points-of-focus was MEGA MITIGATION OF EMI.
Sooooo........ without divulging too much.,.,.,.,., you will notice something in the video(s)..... that MC has a Noise Cancel feature that is Press-AND-HOLD the EMI Noise Cancel button....and it will continuously SIMULTANEOUSLY search ALL Noise Cancel channels ALL at the SAME TIME.
There are other ADDITIONAL things we've done to mitigate EMI. But.........in a nutshell....... as an example..... if you are hunting an area whereby you could run EQX on Sens '22'.,.,.,., MC's better EMI mitigation abilities will allow you to run Sens on '26'. Don't think this is a big deal??? Go back to any of your 'hunted out' sites that had some EMI....... and try again!!! Then 'reevaluate' !!!

I have a ton I want to say/share about Manticore; yet, I am reluctant/apprehensive .... as the product is NOT quite complete. I am even apprehensive about what data has ALREADY been released....and the product is still not on the market yet. Other Mfr's are keenly watching (copying).....circumnavigating around patents.
 

I am an Archaeologist, and a 100$ detector is doing just fine for our work. Even cheaper...

[GB_Amateur]

5 hours ago, vive equinox said:

so I misunderstood in the video with the German detecting at one point I thought I heard mark lawrie say: 1599 € vat included

Can someone who speaks good English confirm or deny?

I heard "1999 Euros," but then he mumbled something about VAT or tax or ? and I don't know if the 1999 included those (probably not since they vary by country, I think).

There have been some understandable grumblings about the anticipated price of the Garrett Axiom in Australia and NZ compared to its price in the USA.  It's appearing as though similar issues are going to be present for the European and UK pricing of the Manticore compared to its USA pricing.

[deathray]

16 minutes ago, Unipin said:

I am an Archaeologist, and a 100$ detector is doing just fine for our work. Even cheaper...

Yeah, but we don't really want to dig 50000 square nails. 

[GB_Amateur]

1 hour ago, midalake said:

How is it possible to take a metal [stainless steel] that IDs in the gold range with a +1 or better and now make it -1 or lower. With keeping Gold +1 and better? 

This would appear to be nearly impossible?

I was confused by him saying stainless steel will give negative (iron) dTID's since SS nuts and washers hit well into the non-ferrous region on the Equinox.  But maybe that is because he's talking about (fine) jewelry, not bulk metal items.  (P.S. Reading Tom's more recent post that you quoted below, I'm reminded that annular shaped objects hit higher on the dTID scale due to the more efficient eddy currents they allow.  That certainly plays a role for nuts and washers.)

As far as your question, Jeff McClendon showed dTID's for the N/M Legend for various gold rings but also common trash items like pulltabs.  I noticed that relative to the USA nickel 5 cent coin (a 'standard'), the pulltab dTID's Jeff showed differed some in their location on the Legend vs. where I find them on the Equinox.  It wasn't a huge difference but it appeared to be real.  (I don't have a link to that thread handy, but maybe someone else does and those interested can search back through his posts to find it.)

[Unipin]

10 minutes ago, deathray said:

Yeah, but we don't really want to dig 50000 square nails. 

We dig everything, this is not beach hunting ?

[midalake]

1 hour ago, midalake said:

I have already asked this question? 

How is it possible to take a metal [stainless steel] that IDs in the gold range with a +1 or better and now make it -1 or lower. With keeping Gold +1 and better? 

This would appear to be nearly impossible? 

Well it seems like not "all" stainless will ID as -1 and below.

"midalake..... Stainless annular items (like stainless rings) will still ID just like gold.....as a non-ferrous. Non-annular stainless items are where you will see a "ID span" in the iron range. You can also 'push' deep into the Iron Bias.....and help stainless become positive-ID non-ferrous numbers.... if you choose."

 

So, guessing, certain lower grade 304 stainless might/could end up with negative ID Numbers. 

[CPT_GhostLight]

I heard in one of the videos, can't remember which one, that they expanded and remapped the IDs. This may allow items of different conductivity to spread out a bit more. Of course we all know that size and shape will always affect IDs as well as depth, pollution, mineralizstion, and ground conditions.

[Steve Herschbach]

I must point out this is not like some earth shattering new thing. My old DFX goes from -95 to +95, as did many White's models earlier than it. It only looks great because the range on some many machines recently has been so limited, but that used to be the standard of sorts. But remember, more target id numbers in general means jumpier numbers.

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