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Thanks for all that info Clay, it will take me little time to digest and commit to heart.  

Have you ever heard of any one getting permission to detect or prospect Indian Reservation land?  Or is that pretty much always going to be a dead end?  

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Used to be that part of the Pima reservation in Arizona was open to prospecting with a permit under federal law. Those days are long gone.

One of the pueblos along the Rio Grande used to allow panning the river from their pay campground. I'm not sure that's still a thing but it does demonstrate that should one of the native governments choose to do so they could issue permits or even allow open prospecting. I'm not going to be holding my breath for that to happen.

All you can do is ask. Who knows maybe the council likes your face or hairdo - it could happen?

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