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Am sure I will be corrected and scolded soon😁 But I have NEVER had a machine that did not go deeper by scrubbing the coil. I am a coil scrubber believer from WAY back............

They are giving the Manti 4 beach modes......right up my alley!

After having run them both in Moderate-heavy Black Sand, I say your winner might be the D2. For the sole reason of the different programs available on the D2. It allows for better tackling of conditions.

I could not agree with you more. I think way too many overdrive the electronics and do not understand the finer points of getting deep targets. I FULLY understand the difference between 21 and 24 on the Equinox. If Tom can run at 28, that makes me go hummmmmmmm!

Or maybe they will complain when the sensitivity is set at 31?

Nice chains!!! You're in the right spot! Gold is there! You guys are killing me here, sitting on this new hip!

Well it seems like not "all" stainless will ID as -1 and below. "midalake..... Stainless annular items (like stainless rings) will still ID just like gold.....as a non-ferrous. Non-annular stainless items are where you will see a "ID span" in the iron range. You can also 'push' deep into the Iron Bias.....and help stainless become positive-ID non-ferrous numbers.... if you choose." So, guessing, certain lower grade 304 stainless might/could end up with negative ID Numbers.

I have already asked this question? How is it possible to take a metal [stainless steel] that IDs in the gold range with a +1 or better and now make it -1 or lower. With keeping Gold +1 and better? This would appear to be nearly impossible?

MORE, from one of the designers of the Manticore.[Tom D.] This will answer some questions. Dan..... you ask about the benefits of 'expanded iron ID range'. Manticore has a -99 to 0 iron ID range. Because most of us have never been exposed (had the tools/availability) to a high-resolution iron ID range....... we would (unsuspectingly) never know just exactly 'what' it would/could do for us. If you are an Archaeologist ...... there's tremendous benefit. Iron implements make up a very large portion of archaeological interest. With this expanded iron ID range.... here are some of the benefits: * It is SO easy to tell the decomposition-rate/status of the iron you are dealing with. * If there are 2 generations of iron in the ground........say........ 200-year old iron nails........and 450-year old iron nails.,.,.,.,.,., their decomposition status/rate will be different....and present a very distinct, discernable large ID delta/difference.....that you will see in the Manticore iron ID range. * Different generations of mankind....have produced different types of iron. Annealed, alloyed, wrought, cast......etc........etc. They all have different conductive bandwidth spans...... that now can be delineated with Manticore. * When you detect unfamiliar/new territory...... the 'type' of iron and the 'age' of the iron implements. , . , . , can really dictate the era of the area. Hammered square nails,,, cut square nails,,, round (modern) nails ..... all have a different conductive bandwidth that can only be expressed in an expanded iron ID range. (Can you start to see attributes to a hobby detectorist yet). On the beach....... expanded iron ID is important: * Stainless jewelry ID's on the high end of the iron ID range.,.,.,.,., usually in the -14 to 0 ID iron range. * Stainless Swiss Army knifes, Stainless watches...... stainless hardware is in that -18 to 0 iron ID range. * Nuts, bolts, screws, nails, bobby-pins, fish hooks........ are in the iron ID range of -60 to -20 iron ID range. * Natural recurring ironstone ID's -98 or -99. You will see a 'pattern'.... that is very educational/tuitional. IF you could figure out a way to wire a EQX coil to the new Manticore...... the Manticore would blow/burn it out. Soooo...... coils are NOT interchangeable. (There's also other reasons for incompatibility). The coil has tighter tolerances....and more stuff in it; hence, soooo........it must be built heavier-duty. The extra 2 heli-arc'd fore-aft curved ribs are not very hydrodynamic; yet, are a necessity. Coil ears. Would you rather break a few-hundred dollar coil? Or break a $50 lower shaft ((of which NOW has the coil ears on the shaft....instead of the coil)). Yes..... Sens now goes up to '35'. And yes..... a EQX Sens of '21'..... is fairly equiv to a Sens of '21' on MC. Manticore is indeed one entire generation (next-gen) above EQX. For the near-forseeable future..... EQX will remain on the market. EQX is $1000..... MC is $1500. Differing price-points. If you have an EQX......and you acquire a MC.....,,,,,, the 'transition' will be very comfortable. (Familiar....comfort-zone. , . , . , . , . and by no accident). A long time ago...... I stated EQX was a continuous/ongoing product AND process. Here it is! Manticore! 50% more power to the coil does not equate to 50% more depth. There is something else..... that helps make up for this. And..... since it is in a video....that has gone viral......I will share/expound: One (of the two) MAJOR points-of-focus was MEGA MITIGATION OF EMI. Sooooo........ without divulging too much.,.,.,.,., you will notice something in the video(s)..... that MC has a Noise Cancel feature that is Press-AND-HOLD the EMI Noise Cancel button....and it will continuously SIMULTANEOUSLY search ALL Noise Cancel channels ALL at the SAME TIME. There are other ADDITIONAL things we've done to mitigate EMI. But.........in a nutshell....... as an example..... if you are hunting an area whereby you could run EQX on Sens '22'.,.,.,., MC's better EMI mitigation abilities will allow you to run Sens on '26'. Don't think this is a big deal??? Go back to any of your 'hunted out' sites that had some EMI....... and try again!!! Then 'reevaluate' !!! I have a ton I want to say/share about Manticore; yet, I am reluctant/apprehensive .... as the product is NOT quite complete. I am even apprehensive about what data has ALREADY been released....and the product is still not on the market yet. Other Mfr's are keenly watching (copying).....circumnavigating around patents.

Gold in the hand, better than two in the bush[somewhere] Awesome Finds!!

Hey Jeff I see the Horseshoe Mode..😊 I can only hope that the Manticore has the frequency weighting to pull off what the equinox does, by nonferrous Single ringing and Ferrous targets Double Ringing or breaking down on a 360 look! My Mex Friend already said he is going to buy one, so I expect a visit from him in January 👍 We will put that sucker through the ropes!

😆 Remember quite vividly changing both my Sovereign meters to "180" scale!

I see a Horseshoe mode on the Manticore. I hunt with the horseshoe mode ON with the Equinox. This is the only way the ferrous mode is accepted. Minelab is going to have to come up with some special sauce on that iron range stuff, Because: I find iron targets on the Equinox bounce all over the place. Rarely do I EVER see a ferrous target lock. This will be interesting to watch!

This was just posted by Tom D. Gary...... We've been working on the Manticore for nearly 3 years. A TON has gone into this one. And with different 'mindset'. I will share more data.....as time permits...... AND = when it will NOT infringe upon sales of other stuff.,.,.,.,., and/or C.O.I Something I want to clarify.... that Mark Lawrie stated in the YouTube video: The ID system is on a scale of 99 points. So is the scale of iron ID range! -99 to 0. (Negative 99 to 0). (((Salt ID's as '0'))). This is to say: Nearly a 200-point ID span. There were 2 VERY primary 'focus-of-intent' into this project. There's a few more loose-ends to button up. VERY Interesting>>> 99 points of Ferrous range, and 99 points of Nonferrous range.....

So, I guess we can put all the speculation of a software update to rest. 😂

I have looked at several different Vids scrolling through modes. I see 4 different beach modes? Anyone else see this? Also, can you use wired headphones?

It is marketed for ocean use. It is really hard to break Carbon Fiber..........

WOW>>>> I COUNTED 4 DIFFERENT BEACH MODES!

XP gives you the option to buy just the remote [D2], and any piece of the package you want.

I thought it was the Mantibore????😂🤣

Except for all that internal coil bracing in the picture. Which is gonna really suck in the sand. Fields too.

Well while some "knife" shaft might work great in a stagnant lake, it would not work in an ocean wave condition. Many times, I find myself coming up or downslope and wave wash is forceful. In the case of the type you are proposing the water forces may be enough to break stuff and would be exaggerated greatly' As one person stated the key is to decrease diameter.

Outstanding!!!!

RUT ROH.........Well just a few comments. As a Water Hunter, I DO NOT like all the coil cross supports. I am guessing field hunters will not like it either. I am also rather surprised they are going with a hand grip pod after all the problems with beach hunters ripping out the mounting screws.🙄

Great find Dew, keep up the good work! Cliff hasn't posted in a while, what Cha do? Bonk him on the head with your scoop and leave him in the trough? 😄