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I am surprised that you dont have the "Deus Lite" version for sale in the US . This version includes a coil + shaft + ws4 wireless headphones for around 680euros over here, so the same price as the Equinox 600 . Look for example at https://www.metaux-detection.fr/xp-deus-22-ws4-disque-haute-frequence-dd-de-22-5-cm,fr,4,DEUS22HFWS4.cfm . It is the version that I am currently using actually . It does not include the control box but you have the most important settings on the ws4 headphones , I have been using this machine for years and I am very happy with it . Concerning the Orx, I do not see important differences between the Deus and the ORx when using in it ploughed fields . Thieir behaviour is very similar for me, and from comparative tests I did with a friend , I found as much as with his Deus in ploughed fields. The Orx is fast and deep in the "coin fast"mode , which is logical because it uses use the same coils as the Deus and most of the processing is done inside the coil itself . Just my opinion as usual ... One thing I did not like ; the Orx is limited to 3 tones I would have preferred that full tones was available , I hope that XP will update this in the future ... For info over here the Orx price is 700e , so similar to the Deus Lite or Equinox 600. https://www.metaux-detection.fr/orx-22-hf-sans-casque,fr,4,XP-ORX22HF.cfm

Hi , great coaching ! Where are you from in Europe ?

I would add to the above post what has made for me the success of the Deus/Orx , their ultra low weight compared to the competition. An Orx with the 9 HF coil only weights 730 grams , an Equinox 1260 grams . There is a huge 500grams difference between them , and the XPs outperfom the Equinox on this weight/balance criteria and the difference is even more important with the Noktas . You can detect longer with a Deus/Orx than with other detectors , this without any tiredness. Considering the electronics , the Deus/Orx behave like Tesoros , with very fast recovery and excellent iron filtering so they are excellent in nail beds as said above . Because of this they are a standard in Europe. So if you plan to use the Deus/Orx for inland detecting ( and not for beach hunting ) they are a very good choice.

ok I understand better now , my sentence "As I said in an other thread when you change the frequency on a Deus/Orx it changes the recovery speed of the detector" is confusing ... Of course there is not change of the reactivity parameter when increasing the freq , I just meant that the Deus was faster and much better in iron trash when increasing the freq ... Sorry for the misunderstanding ..

Yes this frequency change method is not documented , I just learnt it in the field and perhaps from other Deus local users, I do not remember actually because I have been using this trick for several years now .... For example I have an area which is a big old roman site which is littered with old iron nails , may be one every 10cms. If you run the Deus HF on the Deus fast mode at 14khz there you will find almost nothing there . If you change to 30khz you will start to hit small or very small coins the results are far better .. In addition to this "natural" faster recovery /speed, as you said using higher freqs increases the detector sensitivity to small targets , and this is exactly what is remaining in this area , small or very small coins among thousands of nails.. They are all shallow targets so loosing depth is not a pb here , and the 30k freq still goes deep on small and medium coins vs the 14k freq. Probably I did not use the right words , I do not know where it comes from actually , reactivity or detector analysis speed + sensitivity increasement on small targets ? , but the fact is that I find much more in iron trash at 30 than at 14khz. I have given this freq change "recipe" to a friend that also has a Deus HF , he is very happy with this and has excellent results. One day I will post some of his finds , which are really impressive .. This Deus freq change method is very simple , no need to program the Deus , just use the factory Deus fast or GMP mode and change the frequency ... As I do not like to spend time programming things this is just perfect for me ... 🙂 BTW thanks for this info concerning the WS4 reactivity setting , I did not know that this setting was existing on the WS4 version 5...

As I said in an other thread when you change the frequency on a Deus/Orx it changes the recovery speed of the detector. The higher the frequency and the faster the detector behaves . I use my Deus WS4 + 9HF white coil at 14khz on low iron trash areas and I switch to 30khz as soon as I arrive on a high iron trash area. At 30khz the Deus is much faster than at 14khz , and at 30 it can pick up small targets among trash that would be missed by the 14khz frequency. So to summarize I never use the reactivity setting on my Deus , I just switch the frequency depending on the terrain thats all . For info I always use the "Deus fast" factory nr 3 mode. It works very well ...

You cant go wrong with the Vanquish 540 , it is an excellent machine. Its ergonomy is excellent ,, very simple to use, very reliable . Depth perfos are the same than the Equinox 800 in mild soils from my measurements . The most often I use it with a V10 coil which I find more polyvalent than the V12 . The small V8 is excellent for finding tiny targets among iron trash it is also a very light coil. The V12 is very good for finding medium/big coins at depth in low iron trashed areas. As for the moment the Apex has still not yet been intensively tested in the field , the Vanquish is a very good choice , and last but not least , its color is red and not pink ... ☺️ HH ..

How do you exactly recognize aluminium signals ? Even with the Deus I have never been able to distinguish aluminium from other metal targets and I have been using Xps since 2007 starting with the Goldmaxx ... I am very interested by this because I know an area where celtic artefacts are mixed with modern aluminium trash . It would help a lot if I could recognize aluminium either with my Vanquish or Deus ... thanks

I agree with you , the Deus / Orx has more audio info than the ML multifreqs . With a Deus/Orx you can for example recognize targets made of thin metal like coins or cartridges because of a slight reverberation in the audio signal that does not exist with compact targets like bullets . However it takes time to learn this , I would say at least several months ... I cannot do this ( differentiate targets made of thin metal from others ) with the Equinox/Vanquish. They always give the same "straight" audio answer whatever the target . More signal processing probably ... Yes the best thing would be to try the 2 detectors ( Equinox and Deus/Orx ) to have a better idea of their behaviour on the field because they are very different detectors .

Fat should be included , this is the industry standard ... 😀

If 420grams includes the cable the new NEL fly 12X11 coil is a light coil for its size. Some examples below: - Deus 11inches coil 410 grams ( without coil cover ) - Equinox 11 coil 440grams ( with cable without coil cover ) - Vanquish V12 12X10 440grams ( with cable without coil cover ) - Simplex+ 11 coil 480grams ( with cable without coil cover )

I forgot to quote your question ... the answer above

With the 9inches HF coil there are 3 freqs avail. 14khz , 30 khz , 50khz. In fact it is quite simple , I discovered with the experience ( after 2 or 3 years detecting with the Deus ) that first the Deus reactivity increases when the frequency increases, second its sensitivity to small targets ( small coins for exmple ) increases . For example a Deus running at 30k is much more reactive and faster than if running at 14k. There is a little depth loss but the reactivity/speed is the key in iron trashed areas. The more reactive the detector is and the more efficient it will be for finding targets among irons. So I use 30khz as soon as I arrive on a high trash area. High trash areas can be recognized because of the "chatty' audio ... If the area is clean with low iron trash I prefer to stay on the 14k freq because it goes deeper than the 30k freq on medium/big coins. I very rarely use the 50khz because the depth loss is mportant , but this freq works well to find very small targets in extreme iron trashed areas . This principle ( manual frequency change ) also applies to the Orx . For info I used the coin fast mode on the Orx/9inches HF coil. I have no more the Orx because I already have a Deus but both detectors are very similar in terms of perfos ..

4000 6000 years old indian copper very nice find btw ...

I have the Deus for 7 years I always use the stock Deus fast nr 3 program set on fulltones . I use a 9inches round HF coil . The only thing I do in the field is changing the frequency depending on the iron trash level : 14khz on low/medium iron trashed areas , 30khz on high iron trashed areas. Thats all. Up to now I do not want to use other programs/settings because this one works perfectly ( for me .. ) ...

Actually I still have that coil . So I just re measured its weight , see pic below . It weights 592g including cable and cover , 60 grams more that the Fishers version ... I do not know where the difference comes from , perhaps the windings or cable length , or Detech has changed the plastic or the resin of the Ultimate coils ... Yes I am a stickler for detector weight ... The pb is that when you are used to swinging a Deus/Orx, it is very difficult to come back to heavier machines , even a 1,2kg detector like my Vanquish feels a little heavy ...🙂 I never had a F75 but I had a T2 which are very similar detectors I think , the T2 weights around 1,6kg with the stock coil, more than twice a Deus/Orx .... It is a pity for me because it is an excellent machine with a great audio .. Garrett is going in the right direction with the Apex . If it has good electronics I am sure it will be a success because it is lighter ( 1,1kg ) than most of its competitors like the Equinox ... Future will tell ..

I had a few years ago a 13inches detech ultimate coil mounted on a Detech Chaser 14khz , probably the deepest VLF machine on big coins that I have ever tested. On my bed tests I measured 33/34cm depth on a 10grams copper coin for the Chaser/ultimate 13, deeper than an Equinox 800 11coil which hits it at 30cm . So I imagine that the Advantage should perform very well with this 13 ultimate coil on big coins. However this 13 coil was a little too heavy for me , 540grams without the coil cover , total 1,7kg on the chaser . So I eventually sold the Chaser . Now I have the Vanquish V12 which is close to the Chaser ultimate 13 in terms of depth performances on big coins/targets , and far better in terms of weight , id accuracy , iron disc , etc ... thanks for the nice pics of Australia ...

I would add to the above list the XPs Deus and Orx which are excellent machines , and if the detector weight is important for you they are much lighter that the Equinox. They are also excellent in iron trashed areas . For a beginner I would suggest the Orx , which is simpler to use than the Deus.

I have the Minelab Profind 35 , I find it excellent and it is the only one with an iron disc , very useful to identify big ferrous at the bottom of a hole . There are many buried big ferrous in my area ( North of France ) because of the 1st world war . Such big ferrous buried at depth ( 10 inches or more ) often give a good signal and the Profind 35 saves time and energy because you can identify the ferrous before seeing it , without having to dig too deeply . However the Profind 35 is a VLF so cannot be used for beach detecting ..

I'm good at losing stuff too ... 🙂 Actually it is very easy to loose a pinpointer if it is not secured , especially at night .. My profind 35 pinpointer lanyard version below , the lanyard is attached to the holster. Btw I do not remember where the holster comes from , if it is a Minelab or an other brand ( Deteknics ? ) ...

Personally I am happy if my Vanquish misses 5% of the good targets , and hits the rest ( 95% ) .. After 30/40 hours testing the 340 and the 540 I can say that the Vanquish either the 340 or 540 is very sensible to targets of all sizes/metal types . With the V8 coil I can even hit shotgun pellets , not sure that entry level detectors of other brands can do the same ... Perhaps there is a little concern with specific ( nickel ? ) targets in specific positions , but from my standpoint the Vanquish does an excellent job , either using the All Metal mode ( that I prefer ) or the other COIN JEWELLERY modes...

As the Apex design is 2 years newer than the Equinox , perhaps it uses a faster processor than the Equinox , which means faster recovery time in the field. Just a guess ...

Sorry you are right I missed the "almost" in JMC's post ... BTW the elliptical Apex 11 X 6in coil is equivalent to a 8,5in round in terms of coil surface , so clearly it should be better in terms of iron masking and also lighter than the Eq 11in stock coil. The answer in a few weeks ...

Actually I never found on my Eq 800 the settings to do as well as my Deus HF in thick iron trash. Even setting the Equinox reactivity and iron bias to the max ,the Deus HF "deus fast' factory mode outperforms the Eq, this without modifying any setting on the Deus. But I have very special areas ,very old antique houses that have collapsed with plenty of roof rusted nails , perhaps one every 5 or 7 cms ( 3 inches ) , at the surface and the same at depth ... A nails carpet ... Will be interesting to see how the Apex performs there .... Extreme conditions , but I know that if a detector works correctly there , then it can be used everywhere else ... 🙂

I am quite sure that the Apex will be better than the Equinox in dense iron trash areas . This could be appreciated in Europe where the most important thing for a detector is its ability to manage dense iron trash areas. Also it is a light detector , this is a plus ... Of course for those detecting only in moderate iron trashed areas ( NZ etc 🙂 ) it is different ...