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Well that sounds plausible for sure…but - and this is not at all trying to dismiss your post because it actually seems more logical than mine - I have encountered this so many times and have noticed that many times the original swing path over the target does not change much yet the signal improves markedly.

Mariposa county has some insanely saturable coil. Another suggestion for a possible testing area…find one of the predominant 'red dirt' areas and you will have a good test bed.

Wow, that's really interesting. They are using ferrite chokes inside the box.

I have an insanely rookie question that I am going to try to get in even though this is not the prefect thread: When I detect with the GPZ I have gotten good about going slow. What I have noticed when I am detecting like this (slowly with correct coil control etc), is I will get a subtle signal sound. Then as I continue to "explore the signal" as JP says, the signal actually seems to get more defined and in many cases, louder. My question is this. Does the coil's charge as it is passing over the target actually imbue the target with a charge of some kind that then gives the louder and more precise signal? Because that is what it seems like to me. Hope this isn't too dumb/basic.

The whole post is interesting, but I found this part particularly on the money. I followed this recommendation months ago (this is not the first time you have mentioned this), and have found that going into Manual mode to check signals helps with targets not getting tracked out or not reacting as strongly because the GB is out.

Yeah, it's a shame someone has to actually remind us to respect each other.

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Nice report Andyy. Did you make your own patch lead? X Coil 2021 News

I just reread this thread again. It's a primer in a. correct methods for researching whether land is open or claimed, b. a jaw-droopingly detailed set of explanations by Clay Diggins who singlehandedly shows once again why Land Matters is one of most valuable tools for anyone interested in prospecting and mining, c. this has been an unusually level-headed discussion that could serve as a model for some other chats that are going on currently. I am joining Land Matters because, even though we all may not be claim locating, by supporting their work the benefits flow to all of us.

I would bet that happened almost immediately. Can't see any way ML would just sit around when new coils are being lauded by their potential customers.

JP that is about as well-said as anyone could wish for. Thank you for taking the time.

By now most of the posters in this thread are known by their unique posting "voice." It's their personal method of writing that we all (mostly), understand where it's coming from. Some are - for lack of a better term - more 'direct' than others. That doesn't delegitimize what they are trying to get across. I like that it's not a democracy, this is why I am here; we are required to stick to clearly set-out ways of talking to each other. By posting we are tacitly accepting those guidelines.

When posts are pushing the discussion forward and don't get personal, nasty or pissy, they work for me. This topic has attracted a wide band of experience and a whole bunch of opinions - which means it's potentially volatile. I pay attention to this forum to learn a lot and contribute a little. The wording in posts is everything. I would hate to lose the educational value that comes along with tough subjects like this just because someone decides to get personal. These days we have Facebook and Twitter for that stuff.

Also, the potato patch in the Rich Hill area supposedly got its name from the similarity of the nuggets to the patches name.

Jason, what did you do with regards to fashioning a patch lead?

What a cool thread Dave. Years ago I too was the recipient of someone's kindness (and patience), when I was learning. Actually I had a mentor in dredging and then later another teacher with a detector. That instruction came full circle years later and led to one of my best moments when I was able to turn someone on to their first piece of gold after they had been detecting without any luck for more than 8 years. We are all better for sharing our hard-won knowledge. You don't have to give away your best sites but sharing information on detecting and prospecting methods is so easy when you get right down to it, and there is no better feeling than seeing someone take what you have given, learn from it and pass it on. Don't think we'll ever know as much as some of those amazing old timers though. The knowledge that dies with them will never be reclaimed. They simply do not make people like that much any more. Just think what they could have done with a 7000 in their day. Thanks again Dave (and everyone else).

Happy to hear things are working out for you guys. A tip of the hat to Dave for going out of his way to help…a wonderful reminder of what a lot of this hobby is about. I am still hoping to find someone stateside who is able to make a patch lead. I am a klutz with a soldering iron even if I did figure out how to follow the directions on how to make one. And I too am looking forward to hearing Jason's observations.

Lots of interest in this thread. Hope it works out gents.

It's entirely possible to love one's MineLab detector and disagree the MineLab company-level of customer communication. It doesn't make sense to be so opaque. In the line of business I worked in we tried to provide the answers before the questions needed to be asked because sooner or later trust becomes a big part of the ongoing business equation.

Sure, trying a competitor coil is what it's all about - having to risk your machine in any way seems odd but I'm all for these x-coils if they are the only game in town.

wow what a crazy electrical extravaganza, I'm happy it's working for you guys. I have no doubt that you will find some good gold before you are done. Happy Birthday…now it starts getting really good.

Jason that's well put. I think a lot of us are wondering about these issues and have been for quite awhile. It is a strange situation, although it is not particularly new, to have a company be this unresponsive to legitimate questions from it's customer base - questions that are predicated on what we have been led to believe from the earliest days of the 7000's release; coil interchangeability... There is a touch of absurdity in having to jeopardize our machines in order to avail ourselves of the coil versatility that the previous lines of detectors have had. The release of smaller coils is a valid expectation even if, as some have said, it was not explicitly stated. The GPZ is the best gold detector out there. To only have one additional coil available is unfathomable - unless, that is, there is another model in the pipeline that has taken precedence in the economic forecasting. Then silence is to be expected, unwelcome as it is - just not for 4 years.

I had an extremely slow charging WM 12 a few months ago. I asked ML about it and they immediately said to send it back because it was still under warrantee. I did and they returned a new one in two days. So I believe they are aware that there may be some slow-down problems, but that's an opinion not based on anything other than the response I got from ML service. The new one still takes a bit of time charging, but nothing like the old one…also I use any USB cable I can find and I have a bunch of them…they all seem to work well. Fred I don't ever charge off the computer for the WM12. The SP01? Yes. And it charges in about 15 minutes after a full days use…amazing huh?

Slightly off topic, Anyone know someone who can make a patch lead in the US? X Coil 2021 News

And….? (I hate suspense)