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The wireless is complicated, it looks like they've used Bluetooth LE and customized its connection protocol so only their products talk to it, this was possible with the codec but I didn't think they would go as low as doing so, it turns out they possibly have. They likely configured their headphones for a low bitrate to enhance latency and it won't accept anything else, some Manticore owners have been pushing for a WM08 type box for it, and if it came out one day it would likely work on the X-terra too. If they're sticking to this Bluetooth LE for some years and future models it would make sense for them to offer a WM(LE) module just to allow people to use their own audio options. The most likely way you'd get the coils bundled like that is at the dealer as a package deal price more so than Minelab doing it unfortunately.

As I've had two 35's and been disappointed with both I rightly have my concerns about the 40. I'm also a bit of a pinpointer addict and like to try them all seeing they're pretty cheap in pursuit of my perfect pinpointer, I'm almost there with the Carrot AT and MI-4 but just not quite. Will the 40 be it? I'll wait for others to help decide for me rather than rush out and get one as I fear I'll be disappointed again.

Now that's why you should post more often, there would have been some great stories behind those gold finds.

A pinpointer out of China was released with a screen showing your settings etc a while ago, I don't really like the idea as pinpointers do tend to have a rough life. I wonder if this is the sort of screen the Nokta will have? It's only about 20 USD too

The Pro-Find 35 and I would guess 40 actually have pretty good depth, but the two 35's I've tried at least don't like running in higher sensitivity levels without falsing and generally being unstable and annoying to use. Wind that sensitivity back and the depth suffers though so they air test well but not so much in the field. They claim the stability issues are resolved on the 40 which would make it quite a good pinpointer and what the 35 should have been. I'm pretty shocked they're not discontinuing the 35 and replacing it with the 40 though. It's probably the least excited I've been about a Minelab release since I started detecting though. The on edge video she did actually did both pinpointers a disservice, it will put people off them quite severely. To those that don't understand about being on edge it will look like they're terrible pinpointers even compared to their generic no brand special. The PRO-FIND 40 has: · 10% more depth than the PRO-FIND 35 · A Rapid Re-tune function, making it quick and easy to compensate for ground conditions · Improved stability for more accurate pinpointing · Adjustable Sensitivity with 5 levels of adjustment · A lost alarm that sounds after a period of inactivity and combined with a bright red body makes the PRO-FIND 40 easy to locate · A ferrous tone ID that helps to sort trash from treasure What is happening with the existing PRO-FIND pinpointers? · PRO-FIND 15 and 35 will remain unchanged · PRO-FIND 20 will no longer be available beyond current stock When will the PRO-FIND 40 be available? We have PRO FIND 40s in our warehouses ready to ship.

The ruler looks clear plastic to me. I had a small discussion with the Detect-spurt on Youtube and she's assured me the stability problems of the 35 are resolved on the 40, and if this is the case then the 40's probably a pretty good pinpointer.

Now I know I've only just done my morning exercise with my one sit up as I got out of bed and I'm half asleep but did this detect-spurt just turn the Pro-Find 35 on with the thing damn near touching the belt buckle de-tuning the crap out of it that she's trying to show the 40 detects a greater distance on? She does the same with the 40 but appears to hold it slightly further away from the buckle and then gets a tiny depth of about an inch the large metal object. I've started the video at the location so you don't have to put yourself through the misery of watching it all. I gave up watching the video at that point, it appeared to be just a marketing video with no real information, I'll wait for end users videos not promoters. She even said the package came from Australia when clearly on the DHL label it said country of origin Malaysia 😛

I'm about as excited about that as well, nothing really... A red paint job, slightly larger speaker holes to let more noise out and make it easier to clean but still smack where your hand holds the pinpointer blocking the noise, the guy in the video even does it and says whoops, covering the speaker there. 🙂 They've added the desperately needed rapid re-tune that other Pinpointers have had forever onto it so you don't have to keep turning it off and on again when it goes crazy, sort of a bandaid to the Pro Find 35's instability in higher sensitivity settings where the only option is turning it off and on again over and over again or running in a low sensitivity and losing a lot of performance.. 10% deeper they say, I recall hearing something like that with the GPZ 19" coil. I'd like to put that to the test. All in all they are not selling me one of these. My 35 experience was so bad they'd need to do a redesign and give it to me for free before I'd want it, not just a few small modifications. Hopefully they've fixed up the Pro-Find 35's instability and then it would be a reasonable pinpointer for someone that only wants to use Minelab.

NZ is Minelab territory, I would say mainly because Minelab come out at reasonable prices. Nokta never had their Legend price advantage here with it being the same price as an Equinox. We had a First Texas dealer when I started detecting here a couple of years ago, but the detectors were insanely priced, a F75 or Gold Bug Pro costing more than a Nox 800, it's no wonder they didn't survive. Garrett are another example of extremely overpriced in our market with the Garrett AT Gold for example being about a hundred more expensive than an Equinox 800 and the AT Max being the price of the Equinox 900. The original XP Deus has had a massive price slash lately to be Nox pricing, the Deus 2 is Manticore pricing. No other brand is putting any effort into pricing to even be competitive to Minelab for largely lessor products, the problem gets even worse at entry level pricing where Minelab shows them who's boss. It's lucky Minelab exist here or detecting would be a very expensive hobby for not so great detectors.

I believe there are ski fields in the area too, get that Nox up under the lifts and around where people park up their skis, taking gloves off can be a risky process with rings hooked on them and people do it on lifts to play with their phones, and obviously when they park up their skis and snowboards to go eat or something. It's been one of my best places for detecting.

or more complaints 😛

haha no, I'm not much of a water hunter so don't have an Excalibur.

It was this forum that got me started with metal detecting, I have a lot of spare time on my hands and was looking for something to do, reading about the adventures of those using detectors sounded pretty exciting, reading peoples stories about finds and adventures in Alaska which is very similar to here really appealed to me and so my metal detecting life began. I signed up, asked questions about what to buy and how to do it and everyone was very welcoming and helpful. This forum was a life changer for me, so it is appreciated. It's like the ideal world, where everyone is helpful and nice to each other. It's people that made this place what it is and your guidance and setting the ultimate example of how people should act has made it the place that it is, thanks Steve. It sounded a bit like you're quitting detecting for a while there, but it is more like you're becoming one of us, just a user that can kick back and enjoy it rather than having all the pressures on you doing the product testing and working with manufacturers. You were involved in all of my favourite metal detectors so I appreciate that, if all I had was a GPZ and Equinox I'd be content.

Yes, the Pro-Find runs stable in low sensitivity, and won't do the falsing in the air, but then it's not good enough performance to make it worth using when I can run my Carrot and XP Mi-4 maxed out on their sensitivity and get better depth/sensitivity. My Carrot NEVER falses, if it makes a beep there is metal there. I'll be sure to test it out with the GPZ as the main reason I wanted it was for prospecting, as you can see in the videos with the gold chains its more sensitive than the other pinpointers and this is meant to carry over to small gold nuggets too. I hope it's true. 🙂

Something I should add to my previous post is products like this have no value, to the manufacturer they would cost more to pay to be checked than they're worth, they're never worth shipping back to the factory in whatever country for warranty purposes, often manufacturers have agreements with companies like Minelab that they just have to declare how many faulty units they get based on trust. The value is to the customer due to the price they paid, the manufacturing cost is so small the labour charge to even pay some third party to look at them before even attempting to fix them is more than they're worth. We pay a very high price for something of very little value. I know this from experience, this isn't an assumption. For example, Minelab are not going to pay some service agent in the USA $20 to pull apart some $10 headphones to see why they failed.

I know of another guy that had the same problem where the speaker completely stopped working. He's had it repaired already in the USA a few weeks ago.

I was lucky and one of the X-coils guys were kind enough to acquire it for me and send it over to me, it's on it's way at the moment, that way I don't have to try buy it from some foreign store that may never ship it. I'll be sure to let everyone know what I think of it.

I doubt they know or even checked, things like this are disposable. The Manufacturer of them will just swap them out to a new pair for Minelab just like Minelab are doing for you.

You can use EMI paint to paint the wire onto the tape, you don't solder it. You can also buy electrically conductive wire glue .

I suspect you're right.

I tried various high quality batteries on both the ones I had including a Li-ion, I'm down to one now as I just had two at once as my dealer sent me a replacement to compare against my first one. I even tried true 9.2 volt batteries photographers use in flashes. Nothing made it as stable as it should be for me. Glad it helped yours as yes I do notice they play up worse when low battery but in my case that wasn't the cause of the issues and then Minelab confirming the behaviour is normal.

Mirrors my testing, with the biggest improvements on the tiniest of gold, the bigger the gold gets the less the improvement is if there is any at all, it's really that 0.0X of a gram to 0.1 of a gram stuff the update really improved and that's the stuff I contacted Minelab about saying it's performance was lacking.

I have a Sphinx 03 on it's way to me now, looking forward to comparing it to the others to see if it lives up to the good feedback I've heard so far. At the moment my favourite two pinpointers are the Garrett AT and the XP Mi-4, the many others I have rarely ever get used. The F-Pulse and Pulse Dive are my beach pinpointers as they're superior in the salt but I don't often beach hunt. The Sphinx needs not to interfere with my GPZ and GPX and have the small gold sensitivity of the TRX while also being able to handle the ground the TRX can't in high sensitivity and I will be happy.

You mean this? My dealer swapped it over for me and the replacement was worse! So I contact Minelab and they say it's normal.... normal for the Pro-Find I guess but my various other pinpointers don't do it except the TRX. Mine also stops working until I turn it off and on sometimes. It's a pretty poor pinpointer, I think they had a first year engineering student design it 🙂 The Garrett Pro Pointer AT is far superior. Garrett have recently extended warranty on their products so perhaps you should see if your Pro Pointer is still under warranty now they've extended it to 3 years?

I can't even remember when it first came to market but people were saying in April 21 they had them in Australia, so it was quite a while after release it was being talked about. Both you and JP were on the money really, knowing it was behaving like EMI but not caused by external EMI sources. The speaker was the explanation as the problem was worse when using speaker as JP noted in September 21. It took until March 2022 for Minelab to come out with an evasive excuse product notice basically saying there is no fault. "Because the detector is generally used in an outdoor, open environment, the speaker plays the audio with a high volume to account for wind and other ambient noises. Due to the highly sensitive nature of the GPX6000, in some circumstances the speaker itself may introduce detector noise that sounds like interference. If you experience this situation, Minelab recommends first performing a Noise Cancel by holding the coil still and about 10 cm (4”) above, and parallel, to the ground. Press the Noise Cancel button on the control panel and wait for about 5 seconds until the confirmation tone signals the end of the Noise Cancel procedure. This will cause the detector to operate on a different frequency where the noise should not persist. Typically, the speaker is best to use when digging to locate a nugget. Minelab recommends for best detecting results that operators use either the wireless or wired headphones which will not have this problem and will also suppress any environmental noise and ensure the Operator detects the smallest and deepest of nuggets. Should the problem persist, please contact your Dealer." They put this little line at the bottom saying if you've tried everything above and its still noisy to contact your dealer, in other words if it works better on headphones you're fine, if it is crazy on headphones too you may have a bad coil and need it replaced by the dealer which no doubt by that time they'd been replacing a number of noisy coils. Finally on the 26th of August 2022 over a year after release they posted the new notice saying there is indeed a fault causing it, although this notice was only visible to those in Australia for quite a time after that. It's hard to know the reasons for their delays, perhaps they were genuinely slow at finding a solution, or they were reluctant to admit fault as they know that's a big expense doing all the repairs. I don't know if Minelab did wrong by their customers in this process as they never speak so you never know what's going on behind the scenes but it sure seems like there was a cover up going on but the voices just kept getting louder and forced their hand.