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Coins on edge equate to a smaller target, hence the need for higher gain. It could be a benefit to the higher gain settings on the 900 and Manticore if in clear EMI areas and mild enough soils to run the gain right up high, may end up popping a few missed on edge coins, especially the smaller silvers.

Plenty of space if they make the elliptical a closed design, which I'm sure most would prefer anyway.

My friend JW now also has a 12x7", I haven't used mine yet too busy skiing to go detecting however he took his for its maiden voyage yesterday and found these little specs He's got some sort of super hearing though and can find nuggets I can't. So hopefully mine works as well for me as his is for him, and clearly yours is for you Dutchman. I don't know the weights, I don't think he has accurate enough scales for these little bits.

Backlight blew, time for a new screen. 😞

Their home market is Europe, and selling the dream of finding a hoard a two box like above is the perfect addition to that, they'll probably sell quite well in Europe. Good on XP for doing something different too, providing something that wasn't readily available and different, better than a clone product of another competitor. It would be awesome if they did do something like a PI coil for the Deus 2, I can't imagine it would be able to be powered in the same way though so it may not be something we ever see. The small elliptical and a firmware update to enhance small gold capabilities and the Deus 2 would become very appealing for me, add to that a large 15x12 or 17x13" deep coil and I'd be in line to buy it.

The beauty of the 11" stock coil is it's extreme sensitivity for it's size. In my milder soils it keeps up with or exceeds the 10x5" for sensitivity while also providing more depth, it's problems are it's quite noisy which I put down to it's sensitivity however it could be the factors you've mentioned above. There seems to be also a large inconsistency in build quality of the 11" coils, I'm on my second one and my new one is night and day vs my old one, it was very noisy, went whacky all the time and just drove me mad, my new one is much better. Some people seem to get lucky and get a good one, Davsgold likely has as he's doing very well with his and not complaining about instability or a crazy detector and I can understand that, as my new one is much better than my old one to the point I'm quite happy with my 11", still concerned about it's dodgy plastic and ears cracking and so on but hopefully that happens while under warranty as they've improved that now on the latest revision of the coil so I'd like to get it swapped to the newest version at some point. JW really likes his 11", loves the thing in fact, it's served him very well, ,he's on his second one also, both of his were fine though, one just completely died out of the blue one day but was working fine before that. The 10x5" is more stable as is the 14x9", and hopefully my new 12x7". I've probably run more coils on these high end detectors than most so have a pretty good feel for how a coil will perform based on size/windings as it's quite possible the 12x7" will be the sweet spot compromise for me, not too small, not too big, the right sort of size for the common gold in my area without losing too much ground coverage. I find it hard to pick up the 6000 though when the 7000 is staring at me like I'm cheating on it and it's served me very well and continues to be the detector I like using the most so I usually want to take both with me.

I wonder if it's a one off, something went wrong with the detector or something, I haven't seen anyone else having the same problem. If would be ideal if someone lived near you with another Manticore with the update on it so you can compare them. There is no problem at all in my soils. If anyone lives near you that's going to be the solution to the problem, you either know if you have to send your detector in for warranty, or if they're all the same after the update. If they are I'm sure Minelab will be rushing out another update soon! Minelab should be able to supply you with an update tool for the older firmware, even though the new tool doesn't have a way to roll back they will have a flash tool for an older revision, perhaps contact service@minelab.com.au and ask, that way you're not dealing with middlemen.

That equals my smallest find with the GPZ with the smaller ones coming from VLF's. I'm yet to find under 0.03 with the 6000 but my time will come. 10 nuggets is great going.

Nice story about your gold finds, got to be happy with that. Sorry to hear about your headphones, sounds like a rare event as I've not heard of another similar case so just some bad luck for a LuckyLundy 🙂 At least the gold would have made the day a happy one regardless.

I've been keeping an eye on the Lira for a while now, the Turkish currency and it's just been on a massive fall against most currencies, in fact it's fallen 65% in the past 2 years against the USD, 20% in the past month alone. The Turkish economy is obviously a basket case causing this with insane inflation with the annual inflation rate at 40%, makes us feel kinda silly complaining about our mid single figure inflation rates. And if you thought your interest rates were bad in Turkey they've just doubled from 8.5% to 15% in the past couple of days and they're needing to go up a lot more yet with forecasts of 25% by the end of the year. This it the past 2 years of the Lira, look at it tracking right down vs the USD. And the last month alone, look at the dive at the end. The annual inflation rate reached 85 per cent late last year and the central bank burned through most of its reserves trying to prop up the Lira, down 90 per cent against the USD over the past 10 years. So what does this mean for Nokta's pricing? All those US buyers paying their 500 or 600 USD or whatever the Legend currently costs is a whole lot of Liras, much more than it was even a month ago, so does this mean Nokta can further reduce prices blowing the competition out of the water? Possibly. We can only wait and see.

Maybe try a factory reset, not sure if a lingering setting maybe the problem, I certainly don't have depth issues after the update.

Thanks Aureous, that is entirely what I expected, logic says a 10x5" with the same windings type is going to be more sensitive than a 12x7" it's just the odd person says they think the 12x7" is more sensitive. I don't mind, I expected the 10x5" to be more sensitive and I was intending to use the 12x7" for covering more ground as I don't want to use the 14x9" for that, it lacks too much sensitivity for me. The extra depth of the 12x7" will be nice over the 10x5" too when exploring around.

I hope you're right Rob, I guess I'll soon see.... this little beauty arrived in the mail for me today. Time to put it up against the stock 11" and the 10x5" and see which is most sensitive, no point putting it up against my14x9" as I know the 12x7 has won already.

Thanks for taking the time to write that up. Sounds like a fantastic detector to me, I think if they do continue to develop their multi-flex technology their high end AT replacement is going to be a detector to take notice of. I'd like to own an Apex and try something different.

Yes and Yes 🙂

Oh, the manticore is much better in so many ways such as build quality, the nice interface and screen, more features 2d target trace etc but finding the coins I'm after at the moment I can't see how in my situation I will find more using my Manticore than I would my Nox, maybe that will change with time as I find new areas and give it the "first run" rather than going over done ground but so far I'm not finding anything I've missed. At my local sports field where I got hundreds of silvers I haven't found one with the Manticore yet that I'd missed in about 17 hours of trying. That kinda surprised me as I found 31 in total with the CTX when I first went there after the Nox, perhaps they're the 31 the Manticore would have found the Nox missed 🙂 There is also the factor of the operator, maybe I need to learn the detector more too to get iffy targets. I wasn't on the forum when I first got my CTX so I didn't do a post about it at the time but the first day I took my CTX to the field I'd been using my Nox for a year the CTX came out with 12 silvers almost all the smallest 3 pence coins I'd previously missed mainly due to depth and I think possibly they were on edge and the CTX gave me a better dig me signal on them. The other possibility which is likely is because the 3 pence comes up on the pull tab ID I rejected them with the Nox thinking they were a pull tab and the CTX ID'd them away from the common Pull tab ID. My dig decision on coins vs pull tab is usually depth, if the target is deep its more often than not a coin, under 6" I write it off as a pull tab as I rarely find a silver coin under 6" deep, 6" to 10" seems the sweet spot for silvers here, probably more than 10" if I had a detector good enough to find them. My deepest have all been with the CTX and 17x13" coil. That was my first time using it! I was hoping the Manticore was going to give me a nice surprise like that. For the two things I do with it, prospecting (800 is currently better due to coils) and silver coins it's not so far been a detector that's surprised me or excited me with what it's finding. People in trashy areas or more difficult soil or something may notice a more dramatic change, in my very mild clean soils I guess the playing fields are more even which is probably realistic as I honestly believe 90% of the coins I found at that sports field my Ace 300 could have found. I've taken it there a number of times randomly and my results were similar as when I was using my Nox. Beach hunters have clearly shown the benefits over the Nox, you're obviously finding it a lot better than the Nox too strick so that's great, I hope I end up feeling the same eventually, I'm happy with the target ID improvements now as it has improved for me to a point it's more in line with what I'd expect with the larger range of numbers. I use the Manticore as my primary now, but if I had to go back to using my Nox I wouldn't feel like I'm missing much.

That's the bonus of small coils, my nuggets look bigger sitting on them, that one gram is a good size nugget for me but looks tiny on that coil 🙂 You'd have to have very specific needs to use a DD coil that big.

yep, that's why we circle targets, The 800 shook the market to its core for a reason, fantastic detector.

They care, as long is it lines their pockets, I can't say it lines their shareholders pockets as most of them are running at a big loss! Simple solution, give the customers what they want, it's surprising how doing that increases sales.

I'm not one to pussy foot around, I say it how I see it, it gets me in trouble a bit 🙂 The Manticore has improved quite a bit with the firmware update, even in air tests now it's ID's have improved, previously they were quite bouncy even in an air test, now that has settled down. I hope this isn't the last update they do for it, I think there will be another one yet as updates = excitement = sales. I'm seriously considering a Deus 2, I'm not a fan of it's mid sized coils as for coins I want depth and large coils and gold I want small coils and it has neither. The Deus 1 has been a bit of a disappointment for me, for the Deus fans it was the greatest thing since sliced bread until the Deus 2 came out, for my needs it isn't ideal. I'll give the Deus 2 a go at some point, right now my focus is on gold prospecting more than anything and the Deus 2 lacks for that quite severely. I do really like the Nox 800, performance wise it's great, I'd personally rather buy a Nox 800 in the Nox 900 body rather than buy a Nox 900 🙂 800 owners shouldn't feel like they're missing out much on these new models. My 800 is pretty solid, aftermarket shaft, aftermarket arm cuff, aftermarket coils, the control pod is all I care about and it's been good to me.

Everyone likes to think the detector they own is the best, regardless of the reality and it very well maybe for them and their situation. I like the rule of keeping brand specific areas of the forum exclusive to the brand.

My opinion is the 800 is still right up there as the pinnacle of VLF's, the only thing letting it down was build quality, performance wise it's not been left behind by the Manticore. For anyone that doesn't have a 900 or Manticore you're not missing all that much, better build quality is the major change, but I would not think I'll find much more using my Manticore that I'd miss with my Nox 800. Extreme circumstances like perhaps heavy iron or something maybe, but under most conditions very little difference.

Mitchel, with your 15" CC if you are recovering very tiny gold 0.02 type stuff it's also beneficial to turn your detector upside down to use the center of the coil. I think the Axiom hot spot on some coils in the very center too. The guy sure has an interesting way to recover tiny gold, not how I'd be doing it that's for sure 🙂 From what I can see the Axiom, SDC, GPX 6000 and GPZ 7000 are all brilliant detectors, so people can just use whichever one they like the best and be happy knowing they're using a very high performance machine. Each have their strong points and each will beat the others at something.

The Legend would be another excellent option without breaking the bank, and has even more frequency options to choose from along with Multi Frequency's at once although in a high EMI area you'd probably be better off in single frequencies. Detectors pick up EMI from quite a distance, using them indoors inside a house can be a challenge and even more so in an apartment building with multiple residences. The closer you are to the source the worse it is obviously however to a detector 100 meters (300+ feet) is considered close to a power line. Some detectors run better than others usually based upon the frequency they're in being away from the EMI's frequency which is why these switching single frequency detectors can often handle EMI the best as you can use a frequency away from the EMI sources frequency. The more sources of EMI the more difficult that becomes. Here I find 19kHz detectors work best inside my house with the local sources of EMI, so the Legend having 20kHz would work perfectly well indoors here. So it's worth looking into and researching the Legend also, it has an array of coil options including a small coil, the smaller the coil the less affected by EMI it is, but the smaller coils have less depth than the bigger coils. In saying that as contradictory as it may sound a big coil being troubled by EMI will end up with less depth than a smaller coil that is less affected by the EMI. It's complicated 🙂

The EMI comes from the power, not so much from the wires themselves, but the power going through them and anything people have plugged into that power like wireless routers, fridges, fluro or LED lights etc, everything emits EMI that becomes a challenge for a detector. High density living areas are bad for EMI sources. The reinforcing bar will likely overload the detector with a signal so if the target was right near the bar its unlikely you will find the target so in this case a smaller coil might be better than the standard coil, for better target separation along with better EMI handling with a small coil. The side effect of the small coil is less depth although it doesn't sound like the coins would be at a depth anyway, You could try the larger coil first, and if no luck invest in the 6" coil.