First The Bone-phones And Now The Headphones.. More Deus II Failures..

[Chase Goldman]

11 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

The two mini USB connectors on the 3 way cable and the cable for use with the WS6 puck are the same size and type = Mini USB. The difference is the actual exposed lengths of the connectors. The connector on the single lead is definitely a bit longer.........so I am not sure where the USB B and C reference is coming from. The connectors will both fit well in the WS6 port.

Where the confusion is for me (or XP may need a different English language translator/proofreader) is what is printed in the manual and the included Erratum single sheet that came with my Deus 2. The Erratum pages shows using the single lead cable for charging and data update of the WS6 as opposed to the manual showing updating the WS6 with the single lead cable on page 30 and charging the WS6 with the 3-way cable on page 38.

Deus 1s used the 3 way cable for charging the RC and the WS4. The single lead cable was for data update of the RC but I used it for charging it too.

So, who knows.........I have charged my WS6 with the 3 way and the single lead and they both seem to work fine for just charging the WS6.

 

Jeff is 100% correct here.  They are all type-B mini connectors (except of course the multipin connector on the 3-way to provide data and charge power to the remote).  The two USB type-B minis on the three-way provide charge power only and can be used for charging the WS6, the D2 coils, and the MI-6/4 pinpointers (as well as the forthcoming "dumb" wireless headphone accessories).   Since the type-B mini connectors on the 3-way lack a data pin, they cannot be used to update the WS6 and that's where the single cable comes in.  You can charge and/or update the WS6 with the single cable (as well as use it to charge any other accessory mentioned above except, of course, the remote which uses the multi-pin connector).  But there is also absolutely nothing wrong with using one of the USB Type-B mini connectors on the three-way cable to charge the WS6 as well (that's what I usually do). Agree that the manual could be clearer on this, but frankly this is pretty basic stuff in this day and age.  In fact, the type B mini connector is pretty old school and practically obsolete as the Deus detectors and accessories are about the last thing I own that still use it as most other USB powered gadgets I own either use the slightly newer Type-B micro connector which is starting to give way to the more popular and powerful USB Type-C connector.  HTH

[Carolina]

19 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

The two mini USB connectors on the 3 way cable and the cable for use with the WS6 puck are the same size and type = Mini USB. The difference is the actual exposed lengths of the connectors. The connector on the single lead is definitely a bit longer.........so I am not sure where the USB B and C reference is coming from. The connectors will both fit well in the WS6 port.

Where the confusion is for me (or XP may need a different English language translator/proofreader) is what is printed in the manual and the included Erratum single sheet that came with my Deus 2. The Erratum pages shows using the single lead cable for charging and data update of the WS6 as opposed to the manual showing updating the WS6 with the single lead cable on page 30 and charging the WS6 with the 3-way cable on page 38.

Deus 1s used the 3 way cable for charging the RC and the WS4. The single lead cable was for data update of the RC but I used it for charging it too.

So, who knows.........I have charged my WS6 with the 3 way and the single lead and they both seem to work fine for just charging the WS6.

 

I agree mostly with what you say. To me though, there must be a reason they went to the added expense to provide the single charging cable if there was no issue using the three cable. As you point out, the different lengths, maybe more contact area on the contacts have something to do with it. Anyway, I think a lot was lost in the translation as you mentioned.

[Chase Goldman]

28 minutes ago, Carolina said:

I agree mostly with what you say. To me though, there must be a reason they went to the added expense to provide the single charging cable if there was no issue using the three cable. As you point out, the different lengths, maybe more contact area on the contacts have something to do with it. Anyway, I think a lot was lost in the translation as you mentioned.

There is a practical and necessary reason for providing the single cable.  The single charging/update cable for the WS6 was provided because they wired up the 3-Way USB A cable connector dedicated data pin to the mult-pin DIN connector for the remote (you don't wire in multiple split parallel data lines because you want to avoid people attempting to hook up two devices at once during updates, but you can easly and conveniently split power and use multiple connectors for charging).  As a result, they needed to provide a separate single USB cable with a B-mini connector with data so you could run data and power to be able to do firmware updates to the WS6.  Because you can't/don't split data lines (and because all the connectors looked the same unlike the D2 3-way), the old 3-way B-mini cable for the Deus 1 similarly could be only be used for charging 3 devices at once but couldn't be used at all for updating.  Since the DIN connector looks noticeably different on the Deus 2 3-way, they could take advantage of this visually distinctive feature to wire up both data and power to that multi-pin DIN connector for both charging and updating the remote for convenience (avoiding having to provide yet a third dedicated cable for updating the remote) without causing (too much) confusion to the end user.  There is no reason you can't use the three-way to charge the WS6, you just can't use it to update the WS6.  It's also convenient to have the dedicated cable so you can simultaneously charge 4 devices at once if you also happen to own the MI-6 pinpointer.  HTH

[midalake]

1 hour ago, Carolina said:

o me though, there must be a reason they went to the added expense to provide the single charging cable if there was no issue using the three cable.

 

51 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

There is a practical and necessary reason for providing the single cable.  The single charging/update cable for the WS6 was provided because they wired up the 3-Way USB A cable connector dedicated data pin to the mult-pin DIN connector for the remote (you don't wire in multiple split parallel data lines because you want to avoid people attempting to hook up two devices at once during updates,

 

Could it be as simple as: The WS6 is a stand alone detector itself and one may only need that cable then? 
However, the WS6 and coil would need to be charged separately. 

[Jeff McClendon]

2 hours ago, midalake said:

 

 

Could it be as simple as: The WS6 is a stand alone detector itself and one may only need that cable then? 
However, the WS6 and coil would need to be charged separately. 

Deus 1 to Deus 2 progression provided many improvements to XP's flagship detector line. For me, the charging procedure is not one of them.

The Deus 1 WS4 was also a standalone detector but it was dependent on being paired with the Deus 1 remote control for software updating. Now with Deus 2, the WS6 is capable of being a totally independent, updatable standalone detector.

When a person buys a separate WS6, it comes with the single lead cable included.

The Deus 2 being fully waterproof required a change in charging/data port to make it waterproof. 

XP made several business decisions related to that. They added the screw on charging/data connector plug to the 3 way cable instead of just making a new dedicated charging/data cable for the RC. XP could have completely changed the way they charge the other components too, but they decided to keep the 3 way cable with two mini USB plugs, the mini USB receptacles on their other chargeable components along with the awkward coil charging contraptions and also kept the single lead which used to be used to update the Deus 1 RC for updating/charging the WS6.

I wish they had not made those business/unwilling to change the design decisions......but they did.

[Chase Goldman]

3 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

I wish they had not made those business/unwilling to change the design decisions......but they did.

Ditto.

[George Kinsey]

On 6/20/2022 at 3:16 PM, Carolina said:

guess you did not read my post. All accept the puck. Detecting DooDads, Serious Detecting.

 

[George Kinsey]

I have 2 of the three. Nice

[Denny]

I’ve had my WS6 headphones not go on automatically only once.
Everything else is all good.    I’m still running version 6. Don’t plan on updating.