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I have sent a message regarding shipping to UK via 'contact seller' on ebay regarding this item a while ago, with no reply, so have messaged seller again a few minutes ago and asked: How much is the shipping to UK? Do you use ebay International shipping method where you take the shipping fee, plus imort taxes etc as one payment to make it easy for buyers? If so, what is the cost? I do not hold up much hope a of a reply. I am assured though that the Nokta PI will be available in the UK, whereas the AlgoForce isn't. In the mean time, I continue to enjoy finding the goodies with my TDI SL in dry weather and the TDI BeachHunter (modified) when it rains on beaches in the UK.

As we age weight becomes a bigger concern, copper weight in a coil is something only a mono coil addresses at this stage in coil development, the E1500 is bringing back the mono coil development, flat spiral winding monos.... now we move on I have been using a DIY mono on the E1500 for a while with spiral but not flat windings and believe it is showing that we can have uncompromising depth, sensitivity and lightweight but will ML let the aftermarket fellows develop such for the 6K??

Looks like Garrett opted out of being part of the conversation - proceed........

Exactly!

Thanks Steve. Chuck

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Until I can hear more on Garrett’s Vortex I’m just going to wish them a Happy Birthday on the Vortex.

I just called Garrett and the lady said it would be a while before it’s out . She was sorry she didn’t have a date when that would be. Like Steve said we need to read the owners manual. For one reason that’s all we going to have unless we hear from someone that gets their hands on one come late July . I wonder if Garrett has a test garden? Now that would have been more interesting than what was shown. Heck my Vista X I can turn the iron volume off if I don’t want to hear it like on their nail board test . Chuck

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Funny you should start this thread Ron, that's exactly what's happening, NF are making a new coil to do just that at the moment using similar windings to the 12x6" Hybrid GPX X-coil to counter the problems with the Sadie's lack of sensitivity and the 12x8" being so unstable. It's likely going to be a 12x7" in the same housing as the Xceed coil. It's sounding like it's not far off at all so pretty cool to hear development continuing on GPX coils now the Algoforce is out.

It looks like Garrett has improved a few things and fixed issues after the Apex experience . More performing electronics with much more stable TIDs .A new and better coil connector . A submersible CB . It is a pity that they still use an outdated shaft design but this is not the most important . For me not a revolution but the Vortex looks like a serious detector The prices are reasonable and I like its modern look Looking fwd to the field tests now ...

I think carbon remains an excellent choice for upper sections of a detector shaft, for all applications. The superb strength-to-weight ratio (high strength, light weight) makes it so. However, there is clearly at least a niche market out there, amongst those detectorists who may prefer a non-conductive alternative. While, again, this is really most applicable in specific situations (gold prospecting primarily), there seems to be a "better safe than sorry" mentality (as you are noting, fishersari) for some folks even beyond the gold-prospecting community. And even though most of these folks outside of niche applications would be entirely unaffected in any negative way, it seems that some would nonetheless like to try a non-conductive lower. So, what I plan to do over time, is to work toward making non-conductive lower rod alternatives increasingly available, eventually to include most if not all of the shafts that I offer, for any of those who may prefer that. I'll start with the shafts associated with "gold prospecting" units (MC, EQX 700/900, GPX 4500/4800/5000, and the 6000, Gold Monster, etc.), but will be looking to gradually expand to make the non-conductive lowers available for my other complete shaft offerings as well (EQX 600/800, Deus II, etc.) as it increasingly seems that there will be some market for both types of lowers. Carbon is strong, lightweight, and relatively cost-effective, whereas Kevlar is more expensive, but non-conductive. As such, I think a "standard" line of shafts that includes a carbon-fiber lower, AND then a Kevlar or glass "premium line" of non-conductive lowers available as an upgrade, makes sense for a large portion of my product line. That's what I'm thinking at this point, anyway... Steve

Some people have too many rocks in their heads! 🤪

At 1/2 the price of equinox 900 and 1/3 price of the manticore, I think it will do ok. It will really need to give the legend a run for its money to be a real contender in my opinion. As long as they release the optional coils soon, and at a reasonable price, we will see how well it does. It might be on my list, since I don't have a MF detector in my arsenal yet. It will be fun to see experienced users opinion of it in all scenarios.

I have confirmed with both of my suppliers that I'm working with on the non-conductive lower-rod tubes, that they use UV-resistant resins/epoxies/clear coats with their 100% Kevlar tubes. So -- that being one of my specifications for the Kevlar tubes that I will submit to them as we move into production mode -- this requirement will not be an issue at all, as it's already what they use (which I assumed was the case, as I discussed this with them years ago specific to the carbon tubes). Steve

I hadn't checked your forum in awhile and I had no issues! Was still logged and did not have to re-enter my password. Great work Steve for a one man operation!

Nokta has a habit of trying to "One Up" Minelab. So, maybe a lighter Waterproof machine with more than one coil (SDC2300). I would hazard a guess that the Axiom coils are styrofoam inside to keep them light. The new Vortex has a submersible (to 16') Apex/Axiom-style pod. I doubt they will ever use it to modify those models or even make a waterproof Axiom. It'll be interesting to see what Nokta comes up with. I'm sure we won't be disappointed.

I really like the look of it, it's hard to know if it will be a success for them or not, it's clearly not a top tier VLF, more middle ground type stuff, the lack of prospecting modes are disappointing, that immediately rules me out as being a customer UNLESS it's a great performer, target ID stability would be the key for me wanting one, I love and use my CTX for that very reason, it would not make a good prospecting machine 🙂 Sounds a big step up for their AT Series customers. I was confused at first with the paid upgrades after only reading a few comments, I'd just fallen out of bed, but now I understand and that's fantastic, we all know an Equinox 600 is really a throttled back Equinox 800, so having the option to pay for software upgrades to jump up models and the detector designed for the purpose is fantastic, a really good feature, top marks from me on that one, as the user grows in their ability they can now move up, gives more confidence in new comers to buy the cheaper model knowing they can upgrade it as they start to grow in their ability or when they know they're confident they're sticking with the hobby. I wouldn't be at all disappointed knowing my entry level machine is really a held back top of the line machine, I'd be happy with that knowing for a small fee I can update it if I ever need or want to. At least the detecting hobby isn't mainstream enough for hackers to come in and patch up a copy of the firmware to distribute to spread the top of the line firmware around for free 😛 We have to remember Garrett are swimming upstream, fighting against a myriad of patents, the innovator sets the path, the rest have to follow but can't take the same path, and have to try find another way, when you're lagging behind it' makes it a lot harder to find a new path. A thing that puzzles me, salt modes on the higher models, yet you can buy an Ace Apex and hit the salt well.

One thing that struck me was how studiously they made sure that any comparative claim was followed by “of any Garrett detector”. They know full well that they are late to the MF game but act as though the competition doesn’t exist. The “upgrade by software” is a bit of a slap - sure, it cuts their costs by having to make only one machine, but I’d be annoyed knowing that the hardware I own has been crippled and that I have to pay more to use fully what I already have. What’s next? Subscriptions? But I really like the blue color they picked for it.

They need more! I've got plenty of tin foil left.

Your coils already have shielding paint in them 🙂

As phrunt noted, I think carbon remains an excellent choice for upper sections of a detector shaft, for all applications. The superb strength-to-weight ratio (high strength, light weight) makes it so. However, there is clearly at least a niche market out there, amongst those detectorists who may prefer a non-conductive alternative. While, again, this is really most applicable in specific situations (gold prospecting primarily), there seems to be a "better safe than sorry" mentality for some folks even beyond the gold-prospecting community; even though most of these folks would be entirely unaffected in any negative way, it seems that some would nonetheless like to try a non-conductive lower. So, yes, I do have a good inventory of carbon-fiber lower rod tubes; what I'll probably do over time, is to work toward making non-conductive lower rod alternatives increasingly available, eventually to include most of the shafts that I offer, for any of those who may prefer that. I'll start with the shafts associated with "gold prospecting" units (MC, EQX 700/900, GPX 4500/4800/5000, and the 6000, Gold Monster, etc.), but will be looking to gradually expand to make the non-conductive lowers available for my other complete shaft offerings as well (EQX 600/800, Deus II, etc.) as I think there is a market for both types of lowers. Carbon is strong, lightweight, and relatively cost-effective, whereas Kevlar is more expensive but non-conductive. As such, I think a "standard" carbon-fiber lower, AND a Kevlar or glass "premium line" of non-conductive lowers, makes sense for a large portion of my product line. That's what I'm thinking at this point, anyway... Steve

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