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Ditto. I played around a bit with both the Deep Target settings and Beast mode, but otherwise have been sailing along in the usual Park M1 or M3. Performance seems unaffected by the beta updates.

OK, Simon. I know you often identify detectors in photos, on TV shows, etc. I see three here. What's your conclusion of the model families? (IMO, one is easy; I have a guess for one, but the third I have no clue.) Others should chime in, too. I just address Simon because it was his post and I know he's done similar ID'ing previously.

15 inch evo rarely leaves my 5000

I would have thought for sure you would have said the 14 inch round.

Hi Ron, Going back to early SD thru the GPX 5000, my favorite overall size was the 14x9 elliptical. I found it was sensitive enough to small gold, covered a fair amount of ground per swing and still maintained decent depth. Over the years this coil was either the Coiltek Goldstalker or Coiltek Elite or NF Advantage or EVO. On the GPZ 7000, my favorite overall coil for prospecting is the NF 12" Z Search Round. This coil is much lighter than stock 14x13. If I think their is potential for depth, then stock or NF 17x13 Z Search. On my GPX 6000, my favorite is the NF 12x7 Exceed Mono Searchcoil. You can still find very small gold with the stock 11" Mono for sure, but you get a bit of an edge in my opinion on small gold with the NF 12x7. What most need to consider when purchasing any detector is not only looking at the unit itself, but what is also available out there for it, aftermarket coils and accessories. Minelab has always been the main detector that everyone want to build stuff for, whether that is headphones, signal enhancers, speakers, control box covers, battery systems and a huge amount of searchcoils options that many other manufactures will not ever have. Just my thoughts, Rob

'Disappointing' is too mild of a description for this. I assume you are dealing with Minelab of the Americas. But also presumably the data you uploaded went to an all-encompassing international (headquarters) database? If ML keeps shooting themselves in the foot they soon won't have a leg to stand on....

I agree that most of us are not 'rational' most of the time. Someone "important" at Codan's sales projections have proven to be over optimistic! I like the old saw "Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity, but cash is king".

I have an 11 x 6" elliptical on my current detector and really enjoy its depth and maneuverability in high grass fields and tough wooded conditions. I had 11" rounds on previous detectors in some of the same hunt locations that felt like I was swinging a garbage can lid filled with rocks! 🙂 Tough getting up close to some of those old big trees! For me it's all about comfort and focus on my hunting and not struggling with anything I use.

Well Steve, I hope your email to the CEO and VP of Marketing gets us a few more 'hints" of what is to come. Lets hope it's a winner!

Which search mode?

The new MAP price is $4,599 This is the first batch at the 2024 price as the old ones were all pretty much sold off when the price increased. Sounds like Minelab will have to have a 30% off sale like the Manticore to really push these. If not I’ll have to add a 2024 price increase to your trade-in 😃

We are able to put in 6 Plans of Operation on two sides of virgin ground. The plan is to high grade the bottom 15 ft of gravel from the exposed sides of a big hill. This material has been testing out at an average of $60/yard after allowing for smelting. We will run a Pioneer 30 trommel that averages 15 yards of gravel per hour. So 150 yards of processed gravel per day at $60 a yard should gross about $9000 per day. We are running a 3 man crew who are all partners. We won't need to do any hauling of any distance (only 200 - 300 ft) but will run a skid steer as a loader. I still need to buy a small dump truck. I have been waiting for gold to rise to these levels to make this a worthwhile project and I think the time has come.

The Nokta Name that Detector Facebook window is apparently open: The Nokta Pulse Storm Gold, The Nokta Pulse Storm Relic Sender's message was sent successfully.

Nice cover excuse but the point is it should be announced when ready, not before. I like Garrett also but I also believe in telling companies when I think something they are doing is counterproductive, and I think companies are hurting themselves with this practice. The is a period of initial "giddyism" around a new release and people are excited and hot to buy. Wait too long and you not only lose that feeling, but start to create bad feelings. That is poor marketing. I'm not just opinionating, I'm a professional marketer. And since I do actually care, I'm drafting a email to the CEO and VP of Marketing with my thoughts on all this to follow up on the phone call I already made. I have found companies value me more for telling them when I think they are in error than telling them what a great job they are doing. They get plenty of that. The current situation could be alleviated by simply telling us more. Show a picture. Give a couple details. Keep the information coming. It's the noise followed by silence that hurts more than anything.

I use the 9.5x6 coil on my Legend almost exclusively, and it hits deep for its size. Sure, there's a minor loss of depth on coin sized targets compared to an 11" round coil, but to me, the major advantages of an elliptical coil of around that size, far outweigh the slight depth loss In my tests, the 11" round coil hits about 1.5" to 2" deeper than the 9.5x6 on a dime lying flat. On a dime on edge, or similar sized targets, the smaller coil could match the depth of the 11" due to the tighter field of the smaller coil. When taking into account EMI and ground noise, the smaller coil can often be run at a higher sensitivity level than the 11" round coil, thus negating the particular depth advantage of the 11" coil. The FindX models, do have two other coils available for it. They are a 9.5x6 and a 13.5x12.5. I too would have liked to have seen an option to purchase the detector with a different coil size. Then again, I would like to see that option on all detectors.

Newby to the Manticore, been detecting 12 years using CTX, Equinox 800, Vanquish 540, & Excall for diving. I am wondering what settings you are finding most helpful looking for silver in trashy northern midwest park sites. I used it yesterday using out of the box settings which worked, located several iffy signals some payed off. Running sensitivity between 19-30, had lots of 98 numbers no matter the sensitivity didn't find silver. Dug a few deep nails and a bolt with washers all were deep targets. Not used of digging below my initial plug so my pinpointer would see the targets. I believe finding deep and overlooked silver targets will appear soon... Appreciate any helpful tips and settings.

Thanks for the offer Joe (and Hugh) but I have the 5x8 coil. It's not worth your time/money or mine to be doing any mailing back and forth. Since I consider the 5x8 to be my primary coil this is not a big deal to me, and was only documenting it all on this thread so others might learn from it.

Specs. https://www.ritchiespecs.com/model/john-deere-210g-hydraulic-excavator

Getting ready for the new mining season. Just bought this nice mid size Deere 210.

Personally, I think the coil-lockout trend is a mistake. You can’t move up or down because that’s a whole new set of coils. The coil supply lags the release. Coil compatibility puts a big lock on many segments. Encourage third-party manufacturers because that increases your bandwidth. I’m taking a step backwards because the coils I want to test aren’t there. I can’t try a different model variation if I have to buy a new set of coils. If the coils I think I need to use do the job, then goodbye to Minelab, Nokta and XP.

That message from Nokta to revert to 1.13 is weird. I am just going to stay with 1.14 Beta until the final version comes out. 1.14 Beta works just fine on my Legends.

Steve, If customer service keeps dragging their feet on the 11 inch coil issue, PM me your address and I will loan you my 11 inch coil. I too keep a copy of any and all reciepts and registrations as I don't trust their cloud storage. LOL Joe

Yeah I figured a properly used 5x8 coil would be deadly on the Manticore ,which is why I refused to get one until they were available. Waited a year for something that should have been available on day one.

You'll solve the 11" bug hopefully soon, meanwhile try to put the M8 in an hard pounded place and wait for a surprise 🫢... This happened to me again today... I'm speechless

They were $3999 before they were "discontinued" - $596 price increase? Ouch.