Steve Herschbach

No, I have not used one. They are very new, with very few in the field. However, I have used the Nokta Impact, which clearly laid the groundwork for the Multi Kruzer. A performer for sure. Multi Kruzer and Impact Depth

You are right, there are still copper pennies in circulation and they are still being dropped, but not in near the numbers as they used to be. The point I was making I guess is that with zincs notched out I am getting nearly as many dimes as pennies.

Not that hot I think, just local parks, and more like 7-8 hours over three outings.

I am running 50 tones also - kind of my default. I will have to go to five tones though if I want to play around with the high 30s/40 tones.

Is the detector causing any problem with the coil off the ground? If not it is not EMI. The Gold Racer is very high gain and can overload on the ground itself. The overload signal sounds like a siren - same as if you put the coil on solid metal. From my Gold Racer review: “The Sensitivity setting is familiar to anyone who has used a metal detector, except that there are three base levels of sensitivity or gain. Significant boosts occur between 39 - 40 and again between 69 - 70. Most detectors max out at what is a setting of 69 on the Gold Racer. Settings of 70 and above are a type of hyper gain setting that takes the machine above and beyond, but in extreme ground overload signals may occur. Overload signals are indicated by a “warning siren” audio and the machine is telling you that there is either a large metal object under the coil, or that you are encountering extreme mineralization. In the case of mineralization, either raise the coil slightly while scanning, lower the sensitivity setting, or both. Overloads occurring at 70 will almost always be eliminated by dropping to 69.” Not unlike the White’s GMT overload warning “raise coil or lower sensitivity”. The key jumps occur from 39 going to 40 and again at 69 going to 70. If the detector is behaving fine otherwise but overloads on bad ground going from 69 to 70 then it is probably normal operation. Though a bad coil can perhaps be involved also. This “stepped” gain system is common to the several Racer models. This clarification was put out by Makro: ”Hello all.... as we see a lot of posts on the Racer overload situation, we wanted clarify it for you: The electronic gain of the RACER consists of 3 levels to eliminate the internal electromagnetic noise and to adjust the saturation level. The electronic gain change points correspond to levels 39 and 69 on the Gain setting. In case of saturation (overload), you may raise your search coil a bit or adjust the Gain to the lower electronic gain level. For example, in the All Metal and Two Tone modes, if the Gain is set to 70 or above and if saturation occurs, adjusting the Gain to 69 or 39 will minimize or eliminate the saturation. Similarly, if you experience saturation in the Three Tone mode, adjusting the Gain to 39 will be sufficient. Reducing the gain will not cause a dramatic decrease in depth.” Anyway, I did experience this myself on some bad ground in California. Not the ground below... that’s Nevada!

The Multi Kruzer and Deus are fairly similar detectors and should be neck and neck for performance in bad ground. E-Trac as a multifrequency as opposed to the other units being selectable frequency generally will not punch quite as deep as the others in mineralized ground but will also tend to have more accurate/stable target id numbers. All three are top of the line detectors. Multi Kruzer of course has the advantage of being waterproof to ten feet.

Sounds like you are doing fine Nuke even with the early struggles. Yes, sterling silver ring, rang up as one of our dimes around 26. It just occurred to me I have forgotten what sterling silver is exactly. From Wikipedia (some interesting history there): “Sterling silver is an alloy of silver containing 92.5% by weight of silver and 7.5% by weight of other metals, usually copper. The sterling silver standard has a minimum millesimal fineness of 925.”

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True, it never hurts to fish. You said I said “nada” though and I am not seeing where I said that.... I can neither confirm nor deny that I am testing the 6” coil.

First came the WM10 for the CTX 3030. It only works with the CTX. Then came the WM12 for the GPZ 7000. It does also work with the CTX 3030. Then came the Minelab Pro-Sonic system. As far as I know it does not work directly with the CTX, GPZ, or Equinox, but I am not swearing to that. And now the WM08, which as far as I know only works with Equinox. Minelab has in my opinion been doing a very poor job with compatibility between its expensive proprietary options. Hopefully improvements in generic Bluetooth makes proprietary solutions obsolete. I wonder how well all these wireless solutions play well together at a crowded organized hunt? That is one place having a proprietary solution could be an advantage.

Amazingly even after writing a Minelab vetted article explaining that Multi-IQ is identical on the Equinox 600 and 800 it has become a matter of debate again on some forums. To quote the article: ”The EQUINOX 600 is limited to 5 kHz, 10 kHz, and 15 kHz single frequencies, while the EQUINOX 800 also offers these plus the additional higher frequencies of 20 kHz and 40 kHz. This does not mean that the 600 is not employing the full multi-frequency range as part of the Multi-IQ processing. Multi-frequency operation is identical in the two models...” It’s that simple but conspiracy types want to point to perceived differences in diagrams trying to make the case otherwise. The fact is Multi-IQ is identical on both Equinox models and anyone insisting otherwise is pushing some hidden agenda.

Sounds like you are overthinking it. The manual does cover it well... Park, Field, and Beach Threshold Park, Field, and Beach Modes use a simplified type of threshold tone, i.e. a 'reference' threshold. It is a continuous background tone that will blank when a rejected target is detected. Without a reference threshold, a rejected target detection would be silent, and you would not be made aware of the target's existence. For typical treasure detecting locations where there is often a large amount of trash in the ground, constant audio blanking may be disruptive. Minelab recommends using a Threshold Level setting of 0 (off ) for Park, Field and Beach applications, unless you want to hear audio blanking. The threshold alerting you to rejected targets is very important when it comes to knowing what the target densitity is, which in turn governs your Recovery Speed setting. Gold Mode is different and a faint threshold can enhance weak target signals, just like on the Tesoro’s and other units like them. Gold Threshold The Threshold for Gold Mode is a 'true' threshold tone that can be adjusted to improve the audibility of faint signals from small gold nuggets. Unlike a 'reference' Threshold, 'true' Threshold allows gold nugget signals to be emphasised in typically mineralised 'noisy' goldfield soils. Greater control of the target audio response may be achieved by adjusting the Threshold and Volume settings together. Click image to enlarge...

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Finally! Rainy now but that’s good. I find I prefer to either hunt coins or hunt jewelry. Different mindset and techniques employed so I do one or the other as a rule. You do have to pay attention to the Search Profile when employing notching, since target id can shift slightly depending on the Search Profile. Nickels tend to read 13 in Park 1 and Field 1 and 12 in Park 2 and Field 2. And $5 gold coins can come in at 18 or probably even 17. From this thread by steveg - note gold coins...

I am hitting some already hit park areas but going about it a bit more methodically cleaning up stuff I missed. The areas are not particularly old and so the last couple hunts I have rejected everything from 21 on down except for 13. I am in Park 1 but pushing sensitivity a bit too high probably at 21 or 22 so I am getting quite a bit of very high tone ferrous falsing in the high 30s. Iron bias set at zero. I have been half tempted to either block 39 and 40 or set them as a low tone ferrous. I do like hearing them though as 39 in particular is a “tell” that an item is ferrous so I may have to try the low tone experiment. Or lower my sensitivity. Or maybe even try iron bias! Still I am not getting hardly any ferrous fool me enough to actually dig it. The high tone, high 30s signals are very wishy washy whereas a coin signal tightens up and normally hits in the 20s except for those quarters coming in around 30. I am basically cherry picking the copper penny/dime/quarter results and “hard 13” nickels. I am hitting some not particularly old but quite trashy locations and don’t want to get too ridiculous chasing targets and so far this is working pretty efficiently. If the areas were older I would open it up down to 17 and include 12 for the nickels. What I am using now makes a nice cherry picking mode for newer picnic type areas. Been running recovery speed at 7 or maybe 6. Getting very little trash fooling me at this point, especially in the high end. Probably more square tabs at 13 faking me out due to digging nickels than anything else. Only a few bottle caps. The areas have been hunted but I can tell people have passed on the nickel range due to all the trash, so even going for real hard 13 hits only is still piling up the nickels. When I say "hard 13" I mean a target that hits real hard at 13 and exhibits "roundness". The only other target tends to be newer square tabs, which being thinner and square generally do not sound as solid to me. The ones that trick me are less than an inch deep and at that point just easier to pop them out then spend time trying to figure out if they are good or not. 24 quarters, 35 dimes, 31 nickels, and 46 pennies. Eight were wheatback pennies so silver coins were possible but did not get any this time. I did get a nice little sterling silver and opal ring however so I guess that counts! Interesting these days since copper pennies are no longer dropped that with clad dimes still being dropped dimes have caught up to copper pennies numerically as a find these days. Sure was not that way when I took up coin hunting over 40 years ago! Of course wheaties came out of the ground practically new back in those days. Seems the coins and I are both aging.... Been kind of fun coin hunting again. I normally do gold nuggets and jewelry with coins more a bycatch while jewelry detecting. Right now though I want to take advantage of wetter spring weather to hit park areas that get too dry later to be doing much plugging. Easier digging now and much better chance of the ground recovering well. Once the summer heat starts I will get back to my regular detecting but for now this is a lot of fun as a change of pace for me. Park 1 - Multi-IQ50 TonesIron Bias 0Detect Speed 6 unless in dense trash, then 7Auto (Pump) Ground BalanceSensitivity 21 or 22 depending on EMIAll items from 21 on down rejected except for 13 Follow Up Thread

Great answers everyone! In case anyone thinks differently I normally dig nickels. Here is the last few hours detecting. Eight wheats so silver was possible however did not happen this time. 24 quarters, 35 dimes, 31 nickels, and 46 pennies, eight of which were wheaties. Funny these days how as copper pennies get ever more rare dimes are catching up as a found target if you ignore the zincs. Equinox does like those nickels.

I agree and if hunting older areas would do the same.

No argument from me on Multi-IQ. It’s almost all I ever use. The single frequencies ironically are most useful because they are less powerful. They can be used to help eliminate EMI or to lessen negative effects of ground mineralization or too much sensitivity to tiny stuff.

The last couple hunts I have rejected everything from 21 on down except for 13. Park 1 but pushing sensitivity a bit too high probably at 21 or 22 so I am getting quite a bit of very high tone ferrous falsing in the high 30s. I have been half tempted to either block 39 and 40 or set them as a low tone ferrous. I do like hearing them though as 39 in particular is a “tell” that an item is ferrous so I may have to try the low tone experiment. I am basically cherry picking the copper penny/dime/quarter results and “hard 13” nickels. I am hitting some not particularly old but quite trashy locations and don’t want to get too ridiculous chasing targets and so far this is working pretty efficiently. If I get it fine tuned it will make a nice cherry picking mode for picnic type areas. Been running recovery speed at 7 or maybe 6. Getting very little trash fooling me at this point, especially in the high end. Probably more square tabs at 13 faking me out than anything else. The areas have been hunted but I can tell people have passed on the nickel range due to all the trash, so even going for real hard 13 hits only is still piling up the nickels.

I know one thing for sure. The sign of a successful advertising campaign is how long people talk about it. The obsolete thing was intentially provocative for this reason. Many people do not really understand the meaning of the word obsolete, which has helped. The fact that a half a year later people are still discussing the ad would make it an extremely successful ad, no matter what people think of the subject matter. Ironically every time somebody complains about the ad they are actually doing the advertisers bidding!

I know one thing for sure. The sign of a successful advertising campaign is how long people talk about it. The obsolete thing was intentially provocative for this reason. Many people do not really understand the meaning of the word obsolete, which has helped. The fact that a half a year later people are still discussing the ad would make it an extremely successful ad, no matter what people think of the subject matter. Ironically every time somebody complains about the ad they are actually doing the advertisers bidding!

I never use the WM08 myself. The WM08 is faster than aptX Bluetooth but the lag on the included ML80 headphones is so minimal as to not bother me at all. They certainly do not impede me pinpointing or visualizing the target location in any way. I feel just the opposite as the original poster and think the WM08 should have been left out and that 1/8” to 1/4” wired headphone adapter included instead, along with a universal USB power adapter. Related Thread On ML80

Thanks everyone. As Randy notes where both trash and mineralization are low then slower recovery speeds can be a good thing. Remember though that you can never predict when a trash target may be so close to a good item so as to mask it. A low mineral field with relatively sparse trash can still have a trash item next to a good item, and it is higher recovery speeds that reveal such targets. Otherwise you simply miss them and never know they were there. You can’t know what you are missing. One of the most important metal detecting articles ever written - Beneath The Mask by Thomas Dankowski. Things that can help defeat target masking: Faster recovery speeds Slower sweep speeds Smaller coils Approaching an area from multiple angles Recovery Speed, Recovery Delay, And Reactivity Recovery Speed & The Conveyor Belt

There is a piece of gold jewelry that perfectly emulates the signal from every bit of aluminum trash made. No VDI number and no meter can separate them. Reject one, you reject the other. That’s just a fact.

I do think VLF max depth reached a limit over 20 years ago VLF Detectors And Depth I spent a lot of time cross checking results in my soil, and in a nutshell Equinox is as deep as the best of them, and it gets into serious hair splitting in that regard. Most top tier models will give equally good signals on the vast majority of targets. Prior thread on subject... http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/5830-is-the-equinox-a-deep-seeking-machine/