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Yea the new price for the GPX 6000 at $6499 is almost laughable, at least to me. I had a hard time justifying what I paid for it almost 2 years ago. But it does find the gold. Once the Algoforce hits the US market priced at under $1800, it will most likely require some companies to lower their price or lose market share. I'm not a full time gold prospector, in fact I only gold hunt for probably 20 or less days a year. Luckily I'm well enough off I can afford to spend 6k on a metal detector just for the fun factor. But I'd rather spend the money and be able to go out and find some gold every time I go rather than settle for second best and get frustrated. I know a lot of people that hunt gold nuggets way more days a year than I do and would never spend even $2500 on a new GPX 4500 to compliment their VLF. The VLF finds them plenty of small stuff. From the sound of it, the Algoforce won't find as small of gold as a good VLF but will to allow us to find small gold a VLF won't find at greater depths in mineralized ground. So I foresee a good portion of those VLF users jumping up to an Algoforce who wouldn't buy a SDC2300 or Axiom.

Yes and I forgot to mention the clay in the soil, when wet it is really difficult. Hense my disclaimer about different results by others. Too many variables for the test to be conclusive. This simply shows how they compare at this particular site with the targets mention. First photo is the .95 second one is the 2.69

I've been reading this thread wondering myself if the 6000 or 5000 would do better on a 2 gram nugget. We've had a spell of good weather this last week so I decided to get out today before the next storm moved in and do a depth test. I don't have a 2 gram nugget, but I do have a .95 & 2.69. I buried the .95 gram nugget at 8" and the 2.69 at 9" I also buried a 1 oz lead slug at 10" and 2 .58 cal minie balls that weight 1.5 oz and buried those at 12" and 14". The soil I did the test in was damp and on the Deus 2 will almost fill the mineral bar half way, my soil is also alkaline. Obviously results in other soil types may be different. I don't have the 5000 but I do have a 4500 so that is what I used. Both the 6000 and 4500 had 11" mono coils on them. BTW I tried using the Deus 2 with 11" coil and it failed to hit any of the targets. First up was the 6000, on the .95 it was a soft but obvious signal using normal timing, sensitivity 2 notches from max. The 2.69 gram nugget was stronger and very obvious, 1/2 oz slug was very loud, 12" 1.5 oz was soft but obvious, 14" was a no go. Next up was the 4500 11" mono commander coil, running normal timing, motion slow, sensitivity at preset, GB fixed. 4500 couldn't hear the .95 I also tried sensitive extra with no luck. 2.69 was very obvious and feel like it gave a better response than the 6000. 1 oz slug was also very loud on the 4500. 12" 1.5 oz was very obvious and the 14" was a no go. I don't have a large coil for the 4500 yet, but I did try the 13 x 17 mono on the 6000 and still couldn't get the 14" 1.5 oz lead. But over the 12" it boosted the signal to the point that I felt like it sounded like the 4500 with the 11" mono. I wish I'd of had time to bury some of the targets deeper and maybe bury the 14" 1.5 oz somewhere else as there may have been a hot rock of something interfering with it. But a snow storm was coming over the mountain and I had to leave. I did a video of the test and at some point will post it on YouTube. Side note as I know this thread was about the 5000 vs 6000. I took the Axiom as well with the 11x13 mono. It wouldn't hit the .95 gram at 8" But did hit everything else with obvious signals except the 14" 1.5 oz slug. As far as 11" coils go, I feel like on multi gram targets all 3 machines are fairly close in performance, within an inch. However, I'd give the edge to the 4500 especially since there are way bigger coils available for it.

I have some small stuff I've found with VLF's. The stuff under .05 gets hard to hit even with the 6000. I've got a few .03 gram nuggets the 6000 will hit right on top of the ground, but they are flat solid nuggets. I'm not all that interested in the really small stuff under .10 grams when it comes to the Algoforce. Rather I'm interested in how deep it will hit the .10 gram and up stuff compared to the 6000. That could open up a whole lot of new ground for nuggets between .10 and .50 grams.

You can try either updating you software or go back to an older version and see if that helps.

I believe you have the most current version. I think the older version was 5.12 something something

Yea that DD on the 6000 is short of worthless. I used it beach hunting one time and figure it's probably a cancel coil. Depth is waaaaaay short if what a normal DD will get that size. I guess if EMI is an issue it's usable. For relic hunting I use the 11" mono on the 6000 and can say I really don't miss iron disc of the 4500/5000. If you use your ears and go by shape, sound and size, the 6000 is great. I know where the crossover point with both timings are and if I get a questionable target I'll flip between normal and difficult to see what happens with the signal. But overall I don't miss DD coils. Having said that and swearing I'd never got back to a 4500 or 5000, I recently picked a used 4500 up for beach hunting and those real bad hotrock infested areas I gold hunt sometimes. The 6000 just doesn't do well in either of those scenarios. I'm real excited to see what the Algoforce has to offer when it comes to some form of target ID. It should be an extra bit of information to use when hunting trashy sites and time restraints don't allow for digging every target.

Funny how everyone posts this at the same time. I remember mention of it but once I read the manual a light bulb went off in my head and I was like, Wow! This machine should be killer at the beach and relic hunting. The fact that it works well on coils up to 14X9 mono's makes it really attractive as well.

Looks like FCC testing takes about 8-12 weeks, so might not be too long before we see it in the US. IMO given the price these should sell like hotcakes once they are available.

I was really excited to see this new PI come to market and wanted one. But in all reality I don't see myself getting one. I already have 3 PI's that cover most of my basis for all types of situations from small gold to beach hunting to relic hunting. The people I see buying this are the VLF guys that look for small gold and want the boost a PI offers for a few more inches it should give in bad ground. Great to see some new companies entering the market.

For now it only looks like it will only ship to Australia. I just tried to order one. But apparently they have stock to ship. Too bad would love to try one out.

Fort Bedford metal detectors claims they have the last GPX 5000's Minelab will be producing. Yet the 5000 is still on Minelabs website. Very confusing.

Government is the same in the US. I totally get the grave robbing and disturbance of Indian artifacts, fossils and such. But some of the other stuff they protect is ridiculous and backwards at the same time. I know of one very large military site that the state protected for years, they allowed archeologist to come in and do a few digs that didn't ever touch the surface of what was there. Then allowed a construction project to totally destroy a good portion of the site. When detectorists asked if they could get on the site before the construction started they were told no. Dump truck loads of stuff were hauled away from the site. Luckily some smart detectorists followed the dump trucks and asked the property owner if they could hunt the dirt piles. Which they were given permission to do. They found bottles, coins, buttons, etc. that would have been lost forever. The Government would rather have it rot away in the ground than have someone else find it. A lot of the early 1850's sites around my area that are protected have so much modern junk and past disturbance, that I really find it hard to believe archeologist could learn anything from doing any kind of a dig. Yet they continue to prosecute looters (their name for detectorist or bottle diggers) that enter these sites, most of which are not marked with any type of historical marker. It would be real nice if the US would come up with some kind of system like England uses.

I had a Coiltek 6" mono that I sold right after I got the GPX 6000. It's been tested on many small nuggets the smallest being if I remember right .03 grams. But even some of the bigger rough gold nuggets up to .40 grams the GPX 5000 with that 6" mono wouldn't see them. The test was done just using a gold scoop run over the top of the coil or nugget laying on a rock. That same small nugget .03 grams the 7x11 DD Axiom coil will hit and so will the 6000. Not saying the Axiom is better on bigger deep gold and I wouldn't expect it to be simply because of the availability of bigger coils for the 5000.

I don't think there is any question the Axiom is more sensitive to small gold than the GXP 5000. The Axiom DD coils from initial testing appear to be more sensitive to small gold that the mono coils. Which is why the DD's are probably more susceptible to EMI and ground noise. So backward thinking maybe in order when it comes to the Axiom and coil selection. I'd still like to see a standard DD coil produced for the Axiom, whether that's from Garrett or another mfg it doesn't matter to me.

I'd also like to be able to use my own headphones, the Garrett headphones are OK but there are others out there I like better. Right now I've opted to use the Garrett receiver and plug Killer Bees into it. Rather get rid of the cords altogether though. A wider range of sensitivity and threshold would be great, maybe double the range to make smaller increments of adjustment. I'd like to see manual noise cancel as well, auto takes too long. Conventional DD coils would be great for the really bad ground. I bought an anti glare screen protector and it works good, It needs a screen protector anyway so just buy anti glare. I'd also like to see at least 1 more timing that would be comparable to fine gold on the GPX, but that's probably a big ask.

Congrats on the US Officers sword belt plate, that would make any ones day. Bunch of other nice finds in there as well. I'm liking my M15 coil too, much lighter than I thought it would be. Perfect for the beach or those open fields.

Placer gold was discovered at the mouth of Bingham Canyon in 1864 approximately 72,000 ounces of placer deposits were recovered with the biggest nugget being over 7 ounces. By 1870 most of the placer deposits had been depleted. The Rio Tinto mine owns all the property at the mouth of Bigham Canyon and I doubt they would let anyone on it. It's most likely been completely mined at this point anyway. Over the mountain is the Mercur Mine. Placer deposits were also discovered at this area but has since been open pit mined. It's possible some placer deposits could exist down the canyon father, but I've never heard of any being found.

I have the same issue. Garry claims it's a loosely wrapped coil cable that causes that. I can't say one way or the other because I haven't been back out looking for gold with the Manticore since October. But yea it's an issue. That's with the M8

At this point Garrett needs to shoot for the top and prove they're still in the game. Mid-priced and low end machines are a dime a dozen these days.

Since nobody has offered an opinion yet. I'll give my 2 cents worth. I've had both, still have the Legend. Unless you just want the Simplex for a backup or one for you're wife to use, I see no reason to have both. The Legend will do everything the Simplex will and more. If it's single frequency you're worried about having vs SMF (simultaneous multi-frequency) the Legend has single frequency options built in. The Double Score by Nokta might be a good second metal detector since it's easier to setup and has very good performance.

Wow really like that cob.

I hope Garrett can pull something off. But it better at least be able to compete with the Nokta Legend at a similar price. Otherwise they are wasting their time. I like the Legend but I don't like enough for it to be my first choice when I go out detecting. So if Garrett can come up with a better detector in the $550-$750 range I'd buy one. That being said, there is more room at the top for a premium metal detector than there is at the bottom. Fisher is out of the game and Nokta rules the under $600 arena. XP and Minelab are really the only companies offering premium metal detectors over $1000. So a person that's dialed in on what their competition is doing would naturally gravitate towards the area with the most room for a new model and have the potential for the most profits. Whatever Garrett does I hope they will send protypes to detectorists that give them honest feedback so they can develop a metal detector that really is competitive, rather than fanboys/girls that will tell them what they want to hear.

You might get more depth with the 11" coil as it would see less ground. I suspect the depth would be reduced in soild dirt rather than crushed ironstone, but I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. LOL In you text you said the ring was 8" but on the video I thought I heard you say 6". I may have heard that wrong.

Do that same test in Culpeper VA and the Manticore will be cut to 6" or less (it might iron grunt on it a few inches deeper) and the GP 3500 will still be hitting that ring at 14". Just saying. I've also done a similar test at the Great Salt Lake here in Utah. High salt content low minerals. The Manticore would most likely hit that ring at 14" and the GP 3500 with the 14" coil would be at about 16". The Manticore handles the salt very well. High Mineralization still kills all VLF's.