Tony

The hot-spot is the battery ?

USB-C to USB-C on the AlgeSauce ? Am I missing something here.....haven't had my morning coffee yet. What is the battery connection format into the detector ?

Kind of a sad for me.......for the first time that I can recall, I no longer have; 1. Any White's detector 2. Any Garrett detector 3. Any pulse unit for hunting the water Time to change my Avatar. And just like that, all of my detectors are now Minelab units. I never intended for that to happen.

All that's missing is the Teacup.

I had that exact coil years ago......it had done a lot of work on hard ground and finally died. We gave it a good send off.....tied it to a tree branch and re calibrated it with 00 buck.

I'll keep a watch to see if a USB-C model comes up......then I can use it with my AlgoForce....... I mean Manticore 🤨

I can always help you out but the Micro-USB is not ideal really when compared to the much better mechanical connectivity of USB-C.

It's officially discontinued but still available at a few places......somewhat expensive but reasonable. $50 Aussie. https://www.oztorches.com.au/nitecore-f4-power-bank-battery-charger.html No USB-C connectivity....maybe the next model? I think Micro-USB is the achilles heal especially as an outdoors unit ??

Simon, Is this too wide for the AlgoForce........113mm x 86mm x 27mm https://www.liteshop.com.au/content/nitecore-f4-flexible-4-bay-charger-and-power-bank/

Absolutely 👍 I'm just being a propeller head !

Just to summarise.......all Power Banks when delivering USB power (5V) will lose about 25% capacity straight away. "Efficiency Losses" will depend upon quality of manufacturer with the best losing only an additional few percentage in capacity. The worst performers can lose an additional 10% or more in capacity. Some manufacturers advertise these specifications and others don't. I think ultimately you get what you pay for and buying higher quality powerbanks is the way to go. They are definitely not created equal. Unfortunately, the Momex must have very significant efficiency losses based upon dropping from 20,000 mAh to 11600 mAh (the first 5000 mAh capacity loss is to be expected in this case).....but kudos to them for including the specs.

I mainly threw out the information for the new-comer who might not be aware of true battery capacity. I can imagine them thinking that their detector draws "X" mAh and then relating that figure to their battery Capacity. An example would be the Algoforce drawing 700 mAh and then expecting a 10,000 mAh battery running the detector for over 14 hours......that same battery should run the detector for just over 8 hours...according to the spec sheets on battery and detector. It's a far cry from those SLA batteries we used to strap to ourselves back in the day !

I've noticed there is quite a difference between Capacity v Rated Capacity of these style power-banks. Allowing for the 5V needed v the 3.7V Lithium rated capacity means a 10,000 mAh battery is nearer 6000 mAh in regards to capacity. Just something to bear in mind when thinking about real run time with the detector. Even then, 6000 mAh should be sufficient for a full days detecting. And lastly, further capacity is diminished by power losses. 1. As mentioned earlier, the power bank has native 3.7V, but actually needs to provide 5V. Therefore, the voltage is boosted through the converter circuit placed between the power bank and the charging device, resulting in an initial power loss. 2. Batteries for electronic devices are made of lithium, and they also operate at 3.7 V, which means that another power conversion has taken place, creating even greater losses. 3. USB cables also cause power loss due to their internal resistance. This cannot be ignored. Momex are good in that they state their Capacity is 10,000 mAh but the all important Rated Capacity is 5800 mAh. Their 20,000 mAh drops to 11,600 mAh........yikes. BTW...This would apply to any powerbank manufacturer.

For those that have the AlgoForce, can some of Pioneer's concerns or observations be addressed or solved, etc? Thanks. Steve......if this thread morphs into some useful information then maybe a new topic might be in order? Maybe a "Troubleshooting Guide" or "FAQ" for the E1500.

Thanks Pioneer for not only joining the forum but for providing a very honest appraisal and feedback on the E1500.....I guess more specifically some of the things that you didn't care for. Regards, Tony

I'm firmly resisting but only because I'm in over $3K with the Manticore (extra coil and WP headphones). It would nicely complement my GP3500........... Just doing the maths.....GP3500 + E1500 = GPE5000 🤓

I was just curious to know if the AlgoForce runs bundled or spiral coils optimally? I know it's early days to know definitively but is it safe to assume that the AlgoForce isn't too fussy in coil configuration. I know there is mention of the older Gold Search coils working well as do the Evo line of coils (Spiral). I guess this leads to whether either of these coil formats would be best in hotter ground? Thanks for any feedback. I only own 3 mono coils that I use with my GP3500.......my all time favourites.

My brief look at the AlgoForce manual and operational videos left me feeling it was very user friendly and mostly set and forget. He probably already had the two mono coils and rolled their value into the total price. I don't think the Minelab 15x12 is a coil that most people go out and buy.....were bundled with the GPX's I think. It certainly looks like a genuine reason to sell.....he was quite open about it.

Strange listing considering it's so soon. Maybe he will sell to the USA if no one buys it locally.....very early days as it has just been listed. https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/creswick/miscellaneous-goods/algoforce-e1500-pulse-induction-metal-gold-detector-2x-new-coils-2/1322076585

I can see Minelab rolling out a sub $3K model.....before the AlgoForce builds further momentum. Something in a Manticore style body. A prototype is probably under a dusty sheet somewhere and the propeller heads might have to act. The E1500 has the SDC 2300 in a head lock......and further AlgoForce models might have the higher end Minelab models in their cross hairs. I also have the latest crystal ball model MK2.........and the tea leaves in the bottom of my cup are very interesting.

The Empire will strike back........ That's Bruce Candy putting a death grip on the E1500. The AlgoForce is strong with this one.

Not sure about you guys in the USA but down under this way, there's a heck of a lot of SDC2300's suddenly for sale. I think it's RIP to the SDC2300....it's not like anyone bought it for its water proof rating. Minelab will counter-attack this year........I'm sure of it. I'm also sure that no one at Minelab is singing Zip-a-dee-doo-dah 🤣

Keeping that sensitivity "tamed" is the way to go........usually better target ID and a cleaner 2D trace to go with it.

I can't add much to your query but sending it to Mick was a smart move.......his mods and quality of work are exceptional.

If I see someone with this coin, I'll offer them $200 for it......double their money 🤑 You never know your luck, people still buy LRL devices.