Chase Goldman

Actually, that's the no coil is connected icon.

That's unfortunate. Hope it ultimately works out for you.

It's certainly possible, so try entering D instead and see what happens. Is the coil hearbeat LED flashing?

I plan on posting a comprehensive comparison of Nox and Deus shortly but wanted to address this warranty wording which has been discussed a couple of times previously here on DP. The wording could have been better, but XP has their reasons for putting this in there to cover all situations and all components. I have discussed this with XP reps and dealers. First of all dealers state that XP has provided assurances they will fully stand behind the waterproof/deep submergence claim features the remote and coil provided if used properly - that includes use of the requisite red sealing plug for deep submergence. So if there is a design or manufacturing flaw that keeps the remote or coil from sealing properly, XP will cover it. Note that the warranty covers all the components, including the headphone puck - which is not waterproof but is weather resistant. Submerging the headphone puck could result in uncovered damage. Furthermore, the remote is designed to be disassembled for battery replacement, if it is not reassembled properly such that the seals are intact or if the deep submergence sealing plug in not installed properly (or not used) and water intrudes into the remote, then XP is likely not going to cover it. Fortunately, so far, I have not seen reports of water intrusion from those I know who are regularly submerging their remotes, so the design appears to be sound. But I am certain there will be water intrusion failures either due to design, factory flaws, or misuse and we'll see how XP reacts to those warranty claims to see if XP truly stands behind their industry leading 5-year warranty.

Yes the coils are typically already paired in the full Deus 2 kits. But there could be reasons whey it came unpaired, both innocent and nefarious (e.g., well-intentioned or unscrupulous post-delivery component switching, such as from a returned purchase or dealer switchout due to a known failed component). First thing to do is make sure the coil is showing a heartbeat LED pulse. That shows that the coil is likely operational and that there is at least enough coil battery charge to pair the coil. The next thing to check is to make sure you are entering the right serial number. The serial number is, I believe, hexadecimal-based, so it usually has letters and numbers combined (a combination of six of the following digits and letters: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F) and the D sometimes gets visually mistaken as a 0 (or vice versa) based on the styling of the letters. Take a pic and post your coil serial number and let us know what you are entering, maybe you are off by a digit or letter. If not, you might have a DOA coil, unfortunately, and will have to inform your dealer. HTH

You are not missing much, if anything. From my D1 experience, the marginal increase in coverage and miniscule depth advantage vs. the cost and added weight/imbalance make this coil a waste of time and money for the D2 IMO. Wish they dropped this form factor entirely (or at least delayed it) and focused instead on providing an equivalent/compatible coil to their excellent 10x5 HF D1 coil. That is the true gap in the D2 coil lineup at the moment.

Guess that makes you an "influencer" now.

Exactly...who knows. It's true most folks (me included) don't waste their time filling out the surveys. Primarily because they are usually run by third party marketing firms that are trying to harvest contact information so they can bombard you with "special, exclusive offers".

Just to clarify, disc doesn't just block audio as it is a true signal processing filter and too much can adversely affect performance (e.g., depth, target masking/separation), but notch is an audio only filter and has no impact on detector signal processing performance. Similar to disc, the silencer and bottlecap filters can be helpful but if set too high can adversely affect performance. True. And judiscious use of discrimination on Deus 2 can help mitigate this effect. True. But these other tools have their place when you perhaps have one shot at a site and a lot of ground to cover, need to keep the site from looking like a carpet bomb attack, are getting pounded by surf, or just need to preserve your sanity. If you have the luxury of time and can dig indiscriminately and grid, digging it all is your best bet and moves masking junk out of the way. Hard work, but it can pay off big. Metal detecting at its core is about managing tradeoffs becaause no detector gives you perfect 20-20 vision as to what's in the ground. There are no real short cut alternatives to hard work fo pr success, only incredible luck. Regarding disc vs. notch, I break it down in detail in this post.

Congrats! I just got junk bling on my recent beach trip, but it was fun and I learned a lot about the D2 and the inadequacies in my scooping technique in rough surf.

Yes. That could very well could be how some folks interpret how they should rate the experience since there is generally little guidance given in the surveys beyond "Totally Satisfied (5), Mosty Satisfied (4), Satisfied (3), Somewhat Unsatisfied (2), Totally Unsatisfied (1)" and similar. And that's why it is so ambiguous there are so many different ways the consumer can interpret the rating system it becomes almost meaningless. The most unambiguous way to do it is a simple "Satisfied yes/no?" system, but as you can imagine, that rating system would not be as flattering to the business because users are more comfortable with giving a 3 or 4 rather than being backed into a corner with a "No", if not completely/fully/totally satisfied. It's just a marketing tool rather than useful constructive feedback that a business can take seriously for improvement.

Well, 4.8 out of 5 doesn't mean a 96% approval rating either because if you give a business a 4 star rating that doesn't mean you disapprove of it. It simply means you had an overall positive experience but not flawless. It's all somewhat ambiguous because the rating is simply the average of all 1 to 5 star ratings. 4.8 is not a bad rating overall, pretty good actually. Means most folks had an almost flawless experience (if they care enough to tell the truth and not just give a 5 star rating for a mediocre experience)or at least the 5 star ratings dominated the total ratings given. But without the breakdown of each of the five ratings vs. the total, you can't really tell how many 4 or 5 star ratings there were compared to 1 or 2 stars. That's actually the key to overall customer satisfaction and to how many truly bad experiences happened vs. the overall total recorded. So with these 5 star rating schemes you get something that looks good from a marketeer's pespective but in actuality, doesn't really give consumers good, complete information to really judge how well a business is doing from a customer satisfaction standpoint.

Disc is a target signal processing filter. Too much can adversely affect performance including depth and separation. XP sets the defaults for disc between 6 and 10 to provide optimum iron filtering and stability with respect to the ferrous/non-ferrous horseshoe display. I never recommend pushing disc higher than the top ferrous range (typically 10 but non-falsing ferrous can show up between 10 and 15). I also recommend utilizing some disc filtering for Horseshoe display reliability and to mitigate ferrous down averaging (disc set at 7 or 8 works well). With the Deus 2 iron volume feature you can still hear ferrous targets if desired so you can locate iron patches or to have total target awareness while still reaping the beneficial effects of the disc filter. This is one of the downsides to full tones...no iron volume so you can't apply "normal" disc (e.g.10) AND listen to the iron. So in full tones, I set disc between -2 to +2 to quiet things down but to still let me hear some iron. Anyway. I digress. Notch is an audio only filter. It does not affect signal processing or performance. It merely mutes audio associated with targets that have a TID that falls in the range of the notch filter settings. You can set up to 3 separate notch filter ranges (or just single TID ranges) of your choosing. So if you don't want to dig anything below 30 then just don't dig anything below 30. If you don't want to hear any targets at 30 and below, simply set a notch that encompasses the range from the highest disc TID setting (e.g. 10) to 30 and be sure to set iron volume to 0 so you don't hear the discriminated iron that will otherwise sound off below 10. I recommend leaving disc intact because disc helps to mitigate ferrous down averaging of non-ferrous targets in the vicinity of iron targets as I mentioned above. HTH GL HH

That must be "new" math, Chuck. I don't believe 4.8 out of 5 is the same as 4.8% but who knows these days. I rekon on that scale you would rate them 1 out of 5 or less based on your experience...Anyway, I think I got your point despite the confusing math. I always had trouble with "word problems".

The new designed orange clips with the volts display (wish it were mA because charge current can give you more information about the state of charge and connection integrity) are superior to the old Doodad design (and far superior to the XP clips, of course) . They are a perfect snug fit design with reliable electrical contact that are easily attached and removed to/from the coil.

As mentioned previously, I don't believe there is anything special about the XP charger wall wart as far as being a charge regulator is concerned, just a run of the mill AC to 5 VDC usb converter that can easily be subbed by another similar charger. The regulator is built into the XP components as evidenced by the flashing lights or LCD icons when charge is complete. I rarely use the wall wart, however, preferring to charge from a multi-port usb charging bank that I can position anywhere as desired (as well as allowing me to top off the detector in a vehicle or on the go). My favorite 2-port bank below. Anker PowerCore Solar 10000, 15W USB-C Power Bank 10,000 mAh with Dual Ports, Flashlight, IP64 Splash Proof and Dustproof for Outdoor Activities, Compatible with Smartphones and Other Devices https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08BRC7SCY I also prefer the tether (alone) for the reasons NC mentioned above. I like to remove and stow my remote when transporting it (or when charging) and I find the resistance of the stock mount to be fine, relatively easy to mount and unmount the remote with firm force but enough give to keep from snapping any plastic in the event of unplanned significant impact. I suppose if I was routinely in rough surf or something like that, the locking mount would make a lot of sense, because even with the unit tethered, who needs it constantly being knocked off the mount by the waves or similar forces regularly encountered in your specific detecting environment.

Bingo. You nailed it Aaron. The audio is and always has been the Deus secret sauce coupled with its iron performance. D2 with FMF has brought some much needed enhancements to the UI, physical packaging/water tightness, stability in salt, more stable and accurate TID, and improved iron/bc filtering making it even more versatile. But it all comes back to the nuanced audio and the D2 even improved on that with the additional audio options associated with the equalizer and square audio. If you can master the art of subconsciously integrating the audio nuances coupled with the TID info and the ferrous/non-ferrous horseshoe graph, you can reduce your sole dependency on the TID numbers which can only reveal a fraction of the target information contained in the audio. You'll still dig your share of aluminum, just to be sure, but the audio will flip your expectations from possible gold ring, to likely aluminum and the occasional pleasant gold surprise.

Tom D is a smart guy (I mean you can tell because, you know, he's from NASA), and a prominent detectorist with a website 😉, but geez, he really makes some off the wall statements at times that make other engineers like yours truly, just roll their eyeballs. The quote is a typical example. I mean there is some truth here but there also is some serious mumbo jumbo tech speak going on here, and he is just simply mistaken regarding the mysterious physics principles limiting Nox maximum target separation capability to 3 unless he is referring to the fact that there is only so much you can do with any given coil. Or, quite possibly, I am totally missing his (legitimate?) point because a lot of the context of the post is missing. Anyway, his "'maximum-tuned" "Electric Quiesence" reminds me of the "Retro Encabulator" video and like Jeff said ignores the "physics" effects of varying soil mineralization, but also: magnetic field shapes afforded by different coils; co-located target shape/composition field effects; and most importantly the variable signal processing speed capabilities of the Equinox detector, itself, especially in its different modes of operation. Yes, a Recovery Speed setting of 3 in Tom's treasure coast detecting world may give him Electric Quiesence Nirvana, but doesn't give me the detector response or separation needed in the hot dirt, iron hell patches I encounter in Culpeper Virginia, the Northern Neck, and SE Pennsylvania. And do you really think ML would snake oil it's customers and violate "physics principle[s]" by setting the Nox 800 default Recovery speed settings at between 4 and 7 (depending on mode) if "3" was really "maximum-tuned"? Call me skeptical, but I doubt it.

Thanks for that link, but from what I can tell they are using a UK bronze half-penny which is like a US zincoln cent, I suppose, in terms of conductivity. That is. neither a mid nor a high conductive target (about 3/4 on 4 point conductivity scale or about a 75 on a 99 point scale). You can't draw absolute conclusions from a single target type, so who's to say whether Relic, GF, or Deep HC might hit harder on higher conductive or even lower conductive targets than what was used in the video. As a long time Deus user and instructor, I am well aware of the power of Gold Field and its minimal filtering. It is still a processed signal, however (especially in FMF), with IAR, notch, iron audio, reactivity, and (dynamic) audio response options, so not true all metal. Relic is simply using a slightly different (lower weighted) FMF profile than GF on the D2, that's the only difference, so lower conductivity, smaller profile targets are favored by GF vs. higher conductivity, larger profile targets by Relic, as a general rule, hence the "Relic" designation. But remember, on Deus 1 GF is switchable single frequency and can be used anywhere from 4 to 80 khz depending on the Deus 1 coil that is used. IMO, XP needs to explore providing a selectable single frequency variant of GF/Relic on the D2 as a future update, similar to the D2 Deus Mono Program 7 for the "Discrimination" modes, to give GF/Relic some additional capability for specific target groups such as sub gram gold and high conductors. For smaller target sensitivity and tight spots, a 5x10 coil would also be a welcome addition. In my experience, Relic gives me sufficient depth for general searching (especially in hot, mineralized ground) and Deep HC (or Sensitive/General/Mono) in Pitch and Full Tones gives me additional interrogation information to perhaps better characterize the target from the audio nuances in that modes tone options (which are not available in GF and Relic) after I have acquired it in Relic. I will certainly look closer at GF, but I think Relic still provides a better Middle of the Road option vs. GF and Deep HC in pitch to hit with sufficient depth and separation on a broader spectrum of targets that best suits my hunting objectives. In fact, since I am usually dealing with iron patches that are the telltale remnants of human habitation, I am more concerned with target separation and TID accuracy than raw depth. FWIW.

I think that Relic is generally deeper than Deep HC except on the deepest high conductors where Deep HC has the edge due to it's lower top end frequency vs. Relic (14 vs. 24 khz). Relic and Deep HC are generally deeper than Gold Field except for small mid-cobductive targets. Mono frequency at 45khz has the best micro target sensitivity of any D2 program but the max detection depth is less than 2 inches on pinhead-sized targets.

As sly says, 00 typically is displayed for ground or deep, weak targets pulled down to ground ID in high mineralization or other ground anomalies such as concentrated mineralization patches, ferrites and other hot rocks. If reading 00, you COULD have a weak, down-averaged deep target or one of these ground anomalies. Chances are high that it's a ground anomaly. Since the detector can't differentiate a ground anomaly from a legit target, if you notch 00 then yes, you will exclude the audio of a 00 target (you will still see 00 displayed as notch only suppresses audio) and there is a small chance you could pass over a deep legit target. But unless you plan on digging every 00 target, you wouldn't know for sure. Based on the number of 00 hits that I typically encounter in the Relic program, especially in mineralized ground, I couldn't possibly dig them all and would simply be digging any given 00 at random. Every 00 in Relic basically behaves the same way and as there really is no other way to interrogate a 00 target hit to differentiate one 00 from another 00 (most every 00 in Relic is silent in a "discrimination" program such as Deep HC (i.e., any program other than Goldfield or Relic)) I'd simply rather just notch 00 out and be done with it. Thus giving my ears a break. I also typically run with (Iron Audo Reject (IAR) at 5 in Relic. IAR does not silence 00 or ferrous IDs above 00. so that is why 00 notch is great. With IAR engaged, I still get "iron" volume for targets that ID above 0 and less than about 10. Oddly, even with IAR, 00 hits still sound off with non-ferrous pitch audio in Relic (and also presumably also in Gold Field). Why IAR doesn't make 00 audio sound off as iron audio like the other ferrous IDs ABOVE 00 is weird, but 00 notch takes care of it so I don't really care and can ignore that quirk. HTH

I do use permetherin - it works well to repel ticks and you don’t have to put poison directly on your skin. When I need to apply repellant directly to my skin I use Natrapel which uses Picardin. I don’t have experience with Deep Woods Off V Ticks, sorry, but if it contains between 20 to 30% DEET by volume as advertised, it should be a very effective repellant. See this “Prevention” article for more info on effective repellent active ingredients (DEET, Picardin, Eucalyptus Oil, etc.) and suggested products. Note Off Deep Woods Insect Repellant V (essentially the same product you mentioned above), is highly rated for effectiveness in this article. https://www.prevention.com/health/a22095155/best-tick-repellents/

Thanks. Got a week long beach trip planned, so I'll get a chance to corroborate your results, Dan. BTW $1 gold rang up 55 in the "wild" in Deep HC mode, so you can add that to list if you want. 😉

Hey, don’t sleep on those dollarcoins either DD. Pulled one the other day that I thought was going to be a quarter. Nice surprise, (though I would have preferred gold, but the beach was having none of that. ) Hope you caught the comment above, but just a reminder to call out the built-in program (e.g., General, Sensitive, Deep HC, Beach etc.) that serves the basis for whatever custom program settings you are creating and sharing as two programs with identical custom user adjustable settings can behave very differently depending on whether you are using Deep HC or Beach starting point, as an example.

Yep. Like I said, I prefer my eyes and ears to do the notching, not the machine. I like the Deus 2 BC filter implementation so far, but it’s not a notch, you can still hear the jacked up audio it produces and make the determination yourself whether to scoop it or not. Bottom line, the Deus 2 gives you a lot of options to use as you see fit to suit your particular needs and style. At this point, I applaud D2 and other modern detectors that give you the capabilities and options to allow you rather than the manufacturer to decide on what filter features and enhancements you want to utilize.