Chase Goldman

Pretty good summary but with some inaccuracies. Pretty Accurate: Deep HC does punch deep and favors high conductors because of its frequency profile (4.76 khz and 14.3 khz) and lower than average reactivity for the non-beach modes. Not good for areas with high trash target densities (hence woodlands). Not So Accurate: Deep targets do not take longer to process. But they are more easily bypassed at depth due to their reduced signal strength and profile, so going slow is a better approach with this mode. Park runs 8 and 24 khz. More info on the frequency combos used by the Deus 2 programs below...

My MI 6 kills the Carrot at sensitivity 50, pitch audio and max pitch frequency. Be sure to save the custom settings (which is saved to Pinpointer Pgm 4) or it will revert to default settins. If yours continues to underperform, likely yours is broken/defective.

Learn how to use full tones PCM audio on the Deus 2 and foil pieces become very distinguishable from symmetric gold rings. Also, on the Deus 2, smaller foil tends to ring up in the 30's which is generally just at or below the lower TID range for gold rings. Foil is much harder to distinguish both in audio and TID on the Equinox.

No that's not the way it works, Mudwhale. The WS6 doesn't turn on the remote on power up if paired, only the other way around. The remote will turn on the WS6 on power up, but not the other way around.

Agree, used it all day in hot dirt and it worked very well. No obvious bugs at this point.

No the magic was an illusion, glad I updated to 0.71, much less ferrous falsing which was supposed to be the point of 0.7 in the first place. It was a disc bug as sly had indicated and 0.71 fixed that.

Yep, the "magic" disappears with ver 0.71. 😑

Looks like you missed what NM themselves said above would be the more likely time frame...

Pitch mode as a universal tone option for any mode doesn’t exist yet, that’s planned for a a future update. Gold Field utilizes single tone pitch audio, though. Look fo videos of folks using the Legend’s Gold Field program to hear what that sounds like.

This responsiveness by NM to add features so readily on a very value competitive platform in nearly the same performance league as Equinox and Deus 2, really makes the silence from Minelab seem like ML is asleep at the wheel. We all know that likely isn't the case, but it would kind of make sense for ML to throw a feature-based SW upgrade out there to Equinox about now to sort of dampen the excitement and buzz especially since it has been nearly 2 years Nox Update 3.0. If ML doesn't respond, looks like NM and XP have collectively stolen the new detector thunder buzz from ML and everyone else for 2022.

Going out on a limb here, but similar to Deus, I believe it is the ability to select variable pitch (VCO-like) as a tone option in addition to the existing multi-tones (1, 2, 4, 6 or 60 tones) in ANY mode (not just Gold Field). An option I have requested for years to be implemented on the Nox. Not sure if this also means Gold Field can be switched into multi tone mode. The latter would be a nice option, but the former is definitely a highly desirable option when tone ID is not as desirable as audio sensitivity when attempting to cherry pick non-ferrous out of the muck. Combined with ferro check meter, this will be a very powerful tool if implemented well.

I don’t know what you are referring to when you say a target’s “frequency”. Are you simply taking the MF range endpoints and dividing the by the number of non-ferrous TID segments to come up with a frequency “increment”. Why is that even valid? Optimum frequency response on a given target based on “conductivity” is not necessary linear nor is it a given that a particular target is responding to the mathematically derived frequency component. I understand the high level concept of a mode based, center-weighted phase shift scale, but the down side is that outside of the normalized “center” the target ID’s for targets at the extreme ends of the scale would no longer be normalized and would vary based on mode string. I think most users would find this behavior to be objectionable despite opening up dynamic range in the mode-based optimal target range of interest.

It has a nylon set screw to snug it up on the coil spoke to keep it in place during charging.

I am going to try to run a test this evening with ver 0.6.

Gotcha. I was also able to duplicate the behavior on other stock programs (e.g., General) both in terms of the unmasking and the return to stock program glitch. I also found that if you clone the stock program into a custom slot and then shift from the custom program with "magic" zero filters to the stock program in a custom slot, the magic goes away but if you switch between two custom magic programs even if they are sourced from different stock "base" programs (e.g., General with zero filters and Park with zero filters), the magic behavior sticks. Weird.

You keep missing the fact that the program loses its "magic" if you switch out of it then return to it without changing any settings. That's the weird part.

67GTA the fact that you can hit down the barrel with no filters is impressive but you are missing the fact that if you shift back to the stock program and then back to the "magic" program the behavior disappears (it operates like a program with disc) until you can reset the remote - that's what Bob38 was pointing out. I was able to replicate Bob's behavior both in terms of being able to hit the dime down the barrel and also that the custom program behavior changes simply by shifting out and back into the program, it looks like some sort of bug and is annoying because 1) it means you can't switch in and out of that program to interrogate a target and 2) there is no sensible explanation for the behavior, so it makes me lose confidence in the 0.7 update. I am going to test to see if you simply tweak disc that you can "reset" the custom program without actually having to reset the remote. That might indicate that something is happening to the discrimination filter when you switch programs. Weird.

Yeah, the joys of wireless equipment, indeed. It's one thing when wireless is less than reliable, its another when it just it is quirky and its behavior unexplained like the example cited. Thankfully, it appears he was not undone by the wireless BT phones that come standard with the Legend, though. You don't hear the complaints when wireless tech does work, and though wireless is not as reliable or as foolproof as hard-wired, it is steadily improving in that regard (though wired is really the only feasible audio option if the wireless transmitter is submerged). And, as we know, wires and connectors can still break, especially with the repeated usage and strain that comes with detecting with a wired headphone cable and, of course, there is the snag and tangle factor during bushwhacking and target recovery etc. It appears the hobby is heading towards wireless audio being the dominant approach for detecting. In any event, it is good that technology and the manufacturers are providing us the options to go whichever way makes the most sense for the situation at hand as well as accommodating user preference. Regarding the ferro check "haters". I think its just a matter of many detectorists don't really get what "probability" means when it comes to modern digital detectors based on people asking for more "accuracy" from the ferro check meter. They see a number on a screen and think that it is a 100% probability event. It couldn't be further from the truth, especially considering that detector technology is based on a physical principle that is a relatively crude method for determining composition of a metal based entirely off one physical parameter that is influenced by so many variables. Frankly, its quite amazing just how far manufacturers have taken this principle of late, using sophisticated multifrequency waveforms and fast, sophisticated signal processing to minimize the uncertainties and signal degradation that comes with variables such as ground conductivity, mineralization, target shape/orientation and multiple targets and their impact on target magnetic field strength and shape. We now have a number of pretty sophisticated tools to provide a pretty reliable means for figuring out what is under a coil, sight unseen. Anyway, back to my point, most users don't understand that the ferro check is just a probability meter that provides a visual display of what the detector considers a mixed ferrous/non-ferrous target or targets. It provides an alternative to digital numbers and audio to let the user know that the detector is not 100% certain of the true nature of the mixed ferrous/non-ferrous target under the coil, and to inject the appropriate amount of skepticism into whatever TID Legend has decided is the "most probable" ID for the target at hand. People don't realize that if the signal processing and target discrimination were 100% accurate and reliable, there actually would be no reason to have a ferro check meter at all because you could 100% trust whatever target ID is being displayed as truth. Again, there are very few absolutes when it comes to detecting and no good deed by a detector manufacturer goes unpunished.

Deep HC to me just seems to be more responsive overall and seems to do better than the other modes in thick iron (I have not used the beach modes/Dive) and so this may correspond to your f and 3f processing speculation.

Excellent Post! Very enlightening. I now know why Deep HC behaves differently than the other modes, it's a combo of the different lower endpoint and the waveform combined with whatever signal processing algorithm differences XP implements in the algorithm secret sauce for that program. Besides that, XP also sprinkles clues into their program descriptions that throw out seemingly descriptive but still vague (or unexplained terms) like "Conductive Soil subtraction" (Prg 1 and 10 - 12), "Frequency addition" (Prg 2 -6, & 8), and "Frequency Subtraction" (Prg 9). These make me wonder what is really going on under the hood when you compare programs on paper. For example, the only apparent difference between General (P1) and Sensitive (P2) [not accounting for the slight difference in user settings (Disc 7 vs. Disc 6.8, No Notch in P1 vs. a programmed Notch 1 in P2, and Audio Response 4 vs. 5) is "Conductive soil subtraction" vs. "Frequency Addition". If set up identically, would they behave differently on some specific target? Who knows. I'm not one to meticulously test any and all possibilities because frankly it bores me to death both doing it and watching/reading about it and I really just want to hit the sites to detect when I can. I will figure out a way to delve into this, somehow, and try to answer my own rhetorical question. Deep HC and Dive still suck the juice out the coil more than any of the other programs so imagine what the coil power consumption would be if they weren't trying to manage it with a multi-level waveform.

Doing the same thing.

Jeff, I fully understood what you were saying the first time you stated it in response to Simon (and agree that a long press of the power button for factory reset would be undesirable). After I have gained the muscle memory, I don't look at the buttons much either (but certainly not never). But I DO have to learn the button patterns first to gain that semi-automatic feel and the stealth black raised symbol on black button scheme is just perplexing. Not sure why that was chosen, doesn't seem to be needed for functionality or aestethics so why make it impossible to make out from arms length. Just hampers the learning process with no obvious upside. Enable them to stand out sufficiently so you can react with a quick glance. I don't even care if the factory applied highlight would wear out with time, at least I would have hopefully learned the button pressing combos at that point.

Target conductivity still needs to be determined in order to display target ID which probably feeds the tone ID audio plus there is still iron determination which feeds iron audio even in Pitch mode so the target signal processing via the CPU is essentially the same even though Pitch audio lacks the target ID information that is still fed to the display.

Yes. It's good to specify this. 1 gives minimal ground response filtering (hence it is possible that you hear more chatter). 2 and 3 progressively increase ground response filtering which cuts down on chatter but potentially at the expense of filtering out whisper signals (effectively reducing depth or small target sensitivity). Not quite understanding this statement. Pitch is a tone mode setting (like Full Tones and Multi Tones (i.e, 2, 3, 4, or 5 tones). PWM and Square are audio settings and they are applied to tone mode settings to modify their audio. In other words you can have either PWM Pitch or Square Wave Pitch > one or the other needs to be selected, Pitch is not an independent 3rd audio setting.

Be careful, that armband pouch is sized to just fit the D1 RC which is significantly smaller than the D2 RC. I doubt the D2 RC will fit by itself and it would definitely be a no-go with the bone phones plugged in for sure. You would be better off finding some sort of 3rd party neoprene windowed phone holder you can strap to your forearm for screen view. Since the XP D2 remote is fully waterproof (even with the bone phones plugged-in) whatever pouch you use just needs to secure the phone but does not need to be sealed up (and you would not want it to be if you are running the bone phones cable out from the pouch). Another approach would be to just wear a fishing/hunting/photography vest or "running vest" setup with a chest pocket where you can mostly hunt by ear and periodically just pull the RC out of the chest pocket for TID viewing as needed. https://www.amazon.com/Lightbare-Fishing-Pockets-Trout-Photography/dp/B07PJNLML6/ https://www.amazon.com/CamelBak-Circuit-Graphite-Sulphur-Spring/dp/B07HJWPCNL/ https://www.amazon.com/Freetrain-Vest-Reflective-Breathable-Lightweight/dp/B0939MYHMT/ https://www.amazon.com/MVRK-Water-Resistant-Chest-Pack/dp/B08SW34KYH/ https://www.amazon.com/Tune-Belt-AB92-Compatible-OtterBox/dp/B00QQTQUWQ/