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Just to clarify, it’s not Aaron’s program it’s a a YT guy named Diggin Dude. His notch only goes to 40 (7 to 40 w/disc at 7) so all the above targets would have been captured if they rang up the same on Sense FT with the above lower notch settings. If you’re using Beach or Beach sense in saturated salt sand the TIDs above might be different in Sense FT on a non-salt beach. Experimentation is key. DD set Upper Notch from 84-93 which I agree would filter out chunky gold and also small silver. I’m really not a fan of high TID notches of any sort for the above reasons. Also wary of low notches too. Just set your visual discriminator to filter out scooping TIDs less than 40 unless the FT audio is really good. DD’s BC reject @ 4 is a bit aggressive, too, IMO. BC at 3 pretty much takes care of business and minimizes the risk of pushing smaller deep gold into ferrous audio. FWIW

Yep. Neither will I. 0.71 seems like a keeper. But it's a good safety blanket in the event something pops up weird like with ver .70. Screenshot might help someone else who doesn't know they can roll back like drive-by poster kriticalj above...

So when you click that down arrow, 0.6 doesn't show up like below?

Looks like he is using Sensitive FT (P3) as his base program based on the screenshot below: Kind of an important factoid to leave out after DD went to all the trouble to make the video. Personally, not a fan of the upper notch. Potentially leaving smaller silver jewelry in the ground. Otherwise, glad Aaron posted the link.

Strange. I just updated to 0.71 on another machine today and I still had the option to revert to 0.6.

From p.43 of the manual. 9" 345g, 11" 470g, 13x11" 570g

Have not encountered any performance issues with 0.71. Works A LOT better than 0.6 so far in terms of the improvements to the filters, audio, and the addition of notch to Relic and Gold Field - not missing 0.6 at all. A number of folks who post here have upgraded to 0.71 and you are the first to report a performance issue. Air tests are notoriously unreliable benchmarks. Are you 100% sure the machine was set up identically in both cases (i.e., same mode with the same exact settings for ALL parametes including frequency channel (same EMI situation) for both versions?) What program and settings are you using for your air tests? If you are convinced there is an issue, try reloading the update and test again. If you still don't like it you can still easily roll back to ver 0.6, so no need to wish you hadn't upgraded.

Testing for learning optimal settings and especially “day of hunt” tuning to local conditions is a lot different than the ad nauseum comparative testing to determine detector superiority (in my opinion mostly a waste of my time to do and a waste of my time to watch). I agree with testing and experimentation to advance proficiency with a machine’s capabilities. Since F350 is my frequent detecting partner, I know EXACTLY where he is coming from with his “I’m not big on testing…” statement. Detecting time to me is like valued treasure in itself. Since some people do value my opinion on newly released detectors, I will begrudgingly do controlled testing to collect performance data if asked, but it bores me to tears. My reviews on detectors are more informed by in the field swing hours and natural conditions than by test garden tests. I utilize a test garden primarily for operational go-no go hardware checks, new detector familiarization, and tuning; to determine if updates have gross performance bugs; or to do crude comparative testing. In the field, I’ll use test targets for tuning of some settings, but that’s about it.

Agree, no need to hear it all if you simply want to hear that you are swinging over "typical" iron. In Full Tones (FT), -6.4 can be overkill and will result in hearing micro iron and ceramics and perhaps even ground noise (but if you need to hear that stuff, that's why -6.4 is available). And as noted, if you set disc too high (above 3 to 5) you will completely lose iron tones in Full Tones. There is no disc iron volume above that maximum disc setting unlike when using Pitch or Multi Tones (2,3,4,5 tones). When using Full Tones in a program, I set disc anywhere from -2 to +2 to limit the iron "noise" and impact on non-ferrous TID down-averaging but still enable some iron to be heard to know I am near a former structure or place of human habitation In vers 0.71, XP enhanced the FT non-discriminated iron volume and allows you to adjust that volume but you can only hear the iron you don't discriminate out. Really wish they implemented iron volume in FT the way they did it with Pitch and Multitones where you can adjust the vo.ume level of the discriminated iron. Still experimenting with optimum disc settings in full tones. I use PCM full tones more as a target interrogation tool than as a pure search mode because the FT audio is so expressive and reactive to the nature and shape of the target, it gives you a good feel if you are swinging over non-symmetric, non-round targets like can slaw, high tid aluminum cans (distorted, "hollow" audio compared to the PCM FT "Sonar Ping" sound of a coin, button or ring), bent tabs, etc. that can ring up with gold or silver coin IDs and that sound pretty good in multi tones, or pitch (especially with Square wave audio). HTH

It's all spelled out on p. 24.

Agree with using a BT adapter to make the lite setup wireless. However, the specs for the Ugreen BT adapter you are using in your photo do not appear to support APTX low latency or any other comparable low latency codec (e.g., LLDC)). I would highly recommend only using a BT receiver/transmitter and BT wireless headphone pair that supports APTX LL (low latency) which tops out at 40 ms latency or a functionally equivalent low latency BT codec or a proprietary low latency wireless audio system (from Garrett, Quest, or Minelab to name a few brands) designed specifically for metal detecting. Higher latencies (>40 ms) in wireless audio are very noticeable when swinging the coil at normal rates and show the target signal linearly offset from its actual position due to the wireless audio signal delay (latency), making them basically unsuitable for metal detecting use. FWIW

Read p. 24 of the manual for the process for resetting any of the 4 custom user profiles to factory default settings.

Updated Legend twice with no issue using an AMD Ryzen CPU laptop.

Well I wholeheartedly agree with you. Erik. Foil is evil and it is a cruel joke of the detecting gods that aluminum and gold sound and ID so similarly. I also agree this is not about which detector is better, Erik. I have both D2 and Equinox and the both excel at different things, that's why I have and continue to use both. Definitely not trying to retrace any path. I simply misunderstood in your post when you said "it sounds good" as meaning you had trouble differentiating foil from gold audibly and were looking for tips. Not just simply lamenting about having to dig Easter candy foil wrappers. My bad. I was just trying to throw out some suggestions on settings that I have recently discovered to be of benefit in this regard. Just thought I would provide my thoughts based on a very recent beach run where it was very noticeable to me the stark difference in audio feedback and TID diffentiation in the mid conductor range between two popular detectors and, in fact, the difference between discrete 5 tone audio, pitch audio, and full tone audio settings on the D2. Was digging it all and after the most recent update and was blown away by the experience because I have relatively little beach experience with anything other than my Nox and it was very apparent full tones on D2 contained very expressive audio information on foils and aluminum vs any other audio mode on the D2 or Nox. Well I am embarrassed to admit that I can't easily tell foil from gold in terms of audio or TID on my Nox detector (foil freshness seals are especially troublesome as they sound great and ring up a solid 7 on my other detector and there are a hell of a lot more freshness seals than gold rings but a lot of gold rings show up between 7 and 12 on my Nox). The expanded TID range on my other detector gave me more differentiation as I was digging it all and comparing trash to actual gold ring test targets of various sizes and weights. At the end of the day, for me, those trash targets were noticeably easier to call with one detector in full tones vs. the other detector regardless of its settings. With generally lower IDs and gnarly audio than the good targets, the D2 excelled. I mainly search in Beach with pitch tones which will give a good sounding, attention grabbing tone when acquiring just about any non-ferrous target while walking about. If the target is in the foil/gold range I shift into the adjacent custom program which is also Beach with all settings the same except tones are selected as full tones. This target interrogation approach results in audio that gives me a better sense of tonal nuance and distortion that might indicate foil trash vs. gold treasure. At least at that point I can make a dig decision that is informed by some additional clues and can decide to play the odds (if pressed for time), or Scoop it and move on. If you don’t scoop it though, your absolutely right, no detector audio or TID scheme can give you 100% assurance you didn’t just leave gold in the ground. If I’m going to scoop it no matter what, at least I can set expectations accordingly put myself in the frame of mind that what I am scooping is likely trash, so I’m less prone to disappointment. 🤔 FWIW So kudos to you Erik that you are able to call and pick out the foil with both detectors (but still don't leave it up to chance by digging it all anyway despite the frequent frustration). I'm not an avid beach detectorist. Mostly a land hunter for relics on sites that don't typically have a lot of modern non-ferrous trash unlike beaches and parks. You’ve probably dug more rings than I’ve dug beach foil trash since the beaches of your island are available day in and day out. I have to drive an hour to get to a bay beach and nearly 3 hours to get to an ocean beach. Guess I'm more reliant on the beach newb assist features of the D2 than more skilled and experienced beach detectorists such as yourself. If not helpful for you, Erik, maybe the post of what I personally found to give me an edge on dreaded beach foil will be of use to someone else who is also struggling with foils. Cheers and Happy hunting.

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Pretty good summary but with some inaccuracies. Pretty Accurate: Deep HC does punch deep and favors high conductors because of its frequency profile (4.76 khz and 14.3 khz) and lower than average reactivity for the non-beach modes. Not good for areas with high trash target densities (hence woodlands). Not So Accurate: Deep targets do not take longer to process. But they are more easily bypassed at depth due to their reduced signal strength and profile, so going slow is a better approach with this mode. Park runs 8 and 24 khz. More info on the frequency combos used by the Deus 2 programs below...

My MI 6 kills the Carrot at sensitivity 50, pitch audio and max pitch frequency. Be sure to save the custom settings (which is saved to Pinpointer Pgm 4) or it will revert to default settins. If yours continues to underperform, likely yours is broken/defective.

Learn how to use full tones PCM audio on the Deus 2 and foil pieces become very distinguishable from symmetric gold rings. Also, on the Deus 2, smaller foil tends to ring up in the 30's which is generally just at or below the lower TID range for gold rings. Foil is much harder to distinguish both in audio and TID on the Equinox.

No that's not the way it works, Mudwhale. The WS6 doesn't turn on the remote on power up if paired, only the other way around. The remote will turn on the WS6 on power up, but not the other way around.

Agree, used it all day in hot dirt and it worked very well. No obvious bugs at this point.

No the magic was an illusion, glad I updated to 0.71, much less ferrous falsing which was supposed to be the point of 0.7 in the first place. It was a disc bug as sly had indicated and 0.71 fixed that.

Yep, the "magic" disappears with ver 0.71. 😑

Looks like you missed what NM themselves said above would be the more likely time frame...

Pitch mode as a universal tone option for any mode doesn’t exist yet, that’s planned for a a future update. Gold Field utilizes single tone pitch audio, though. Look fo videos of folks using the Legend’s Gold Field program to hear what that sounds like.

This responsiveness by NM to add features so readily on a very value competitive platform in nearly the same performance league as Equinox and Deus 2, really makes the silence from Minelab seem like ML is asleep at the wheel. We all know that likely isn't the case, but it would kind of make sense for ML to throw a feature-based SW upgrade out there to Equinox about now to sort of dampen the excitement and buzz especially since it has been nearly 2 years Nox Update 3.0. If ML doesn't respond, looks like NM and XP have collectively stolen the new detector thunder buzz from ML and everyone else for 2022.