Norvic

Righto just because I`m downunder I can`t enter the comp, but I`d like to post in this thread and join the fun, if I may. This photo is an oz of that lovely 6000 stuff organized in a Memorial significant number, now whilst today that number has been adopted by another international "forum" as a sign off, this number came from early war time. (no its not the number of nuggets as there is actually 83) No more clues, let your keyboard direct you to the Memorial significance of this number.

Took 83 to make the first 6000 OZ, fortunately a few were near 1 gram or would've hit the ton.

Yes we can call the instability with the speaker a design flaw if you like (BTW it has nothing to do with what coil is attached), I personally could give a rats arse, it is what it is!! Might let JP know then, because he's the one that pointed the problem out to us and recommended not to use the speaker at all. He works with engineers, I imagine he knows. It's not like we are pulling this out of thin air. I think the first quote above says what JP thinks about this "problem", think I`ll do the unthinkable and join JP and stop giving a rats arse.

My 2 bobs worth, the EMI "problem" you fellows are on about doesn`t exist from my use. It is much like the volume control on the GPZ 7000, the higher you set it the more hotter the machine is. The vids you are watching I would say have the speaker volume turned right up, thus the induced instability". I suspect the volume control is not a totally AG gain control but more a digital RF gain control not like a linear booster one places on the audio output. Further to this I have been playing with the volume control setting on both the 6000 and the Torus headband and an early observation is this can be a powerful feature ie. with the volume control on the 6000 increased from minimum and the volume control decreased on the headband the machine becomes hotter and seems to bring in the positive signals even more pronounced which at this early stage makes the 6000 detecting ability more like a VLF and thus may be the answer to those fine specie that PIs to now cannot detect as well as VLFs. Might just be the PI that suits Gerry`s detecting style. Like I said at the beginning my 2 bobs worth is, tis naught to be concerned about. The 6000 to me is one hot detector with new superior technology and like Steve said will probably become a classic like the GB2, those of us who were at it when the GB2 was introduced will well remember the negatives people expressed towards it and that was before the social forums we now enjoy. Heh I`m the fellow who was right amongst the X coil advantage what a month or so back, that had every negative possible thrown at, but they filled my pocket as the 6000 is now.

Been hijacked by a syndicate of selfish early adoptees in OZ.😁

Aye tis a bummer the wait but imagine tis Covid at work. A little more on that volume control on the 6000, I suspect with time we will find some benefit to using it along with one's h/phones volume control at varying levels. Early days to call but I,ve a feeling for chasing those specis that normally the VLFs shine at.

GC, sure does give a high/low/ high, with the low over the target. Sometimes on deep larger gold, on nail, on lead bullets much same as other detectors. Also as per the Z, you can get a h/l/h in difficult switch to normal (before digging out) and signal sometimes goes to l/h/l and vice versa. But as per PIs and Z don`t think you can use this as a sort of discriminator as it`ll likely do it on bigger gold/lead (non-magnetic) either shallow or deep. That mellow broad faint h/l/h signal could just be that large trophy piece. No real diff to others here, just the 6000s positive signal response pulls you up when it has been a long day and your a wee weary whereas with PIs & Z you might miss it. Go h/phones or Torus to allow a drop in volume and take out that threshold "instability". I don`t see this as a design fault in the 6000 on speaker, just for vids tis easy to up the volume for sound but not the way to go in reality you want a barely audible threshold as per norm. With the H/phones/torus currently I have the volume control on the 6000 at minimum and adjust the h/phones/torus independent volume control to suit. Very simple easy MD to use, following the practices we have learnt from our previous MDs.

Seems you could get any number of us together and there would be that same number of different styles of detecting. We are not team players but individuals but still able to enjoy the comradeship of teams, tis a magic pastime.

Aye Geof and Rob, depth is great but I agree it isn`t the end all, NFs Z search coil and the X smaller coil range illustrates this and now the 6000 with its lightness aided by its lightweight mono coils the Z cannot compete, for me the Z days are numbered but hey it has had its top dog days and they were brilliant.

Took almost 3 years of swinging to get my first, bought mountains of books, geology, history. then in 81 I fluked a virgin patch, in those days there was very few revealed patches the country was mainly detecting virgin country. That first patch taught me I had to get to know how to use these new fangled electronic devices, Bounty Hunter RB7, I got a wee consistent considering I had the answers now and then I finally scored a dealer that had a Garret A2B in stock, in those days the demand was many times the supply, and dealers were 1000s of ks away. The A2B was the beginning for small gold which then and today is the bread and butter, regardless what you hear about OZ to me the great majority of weight in gold is those 3gram down to what you call dinks, subgrammers. Through VLF to ML PIs that as Gerry found got us back to the large deeper pieces, big mean picks/bars. Through all that to the GPS/moving map become almost as important a tool as the detector, geology and history, the patches that knowledge/research lead to have mostly been found through to today. We are the first generations to have the most efficient method man has had of loaming for gold, the importance of knowing how to use this and GPS/moving map software out in the field cannot be overstated eg. I have this piece of ground for 40 years I considered had to have surface gold, no mines within ks, no alluvial workings for 10s of ks, no faults shown on a succession of geo maps over those years, but some surface "salt" & "pepper" where the depth was little, run all detectors over it whenever a new more sensitive detector was in hand over those 40 plus years until the 6000 a couple of weeks ago. Well it got amongst those dinks at depth the Z couldn`t on a nearby virgin Z patch, and again I headed to that 40 year old "no gold" patch, the 6000 has proven that there is gold there, only subgrammers but at depth over a now proven flat that has gold in an area 500m x 100m and maybe more. Only two pieces have been close the rest have all been spread roughly 10m apart, tis as though it was mother natures chook yard and she just spread the feed/gold out by hand. As I name patches for recording, this patch I`ve called Placebo tis about 2ks from Hope Ridge a virgin patch the Z found but left deep dinks for the 6000. The GPS waypoints saved over the years has shown there is a line of patches some ks apart running along the same bearing. Placebo and Hope Ridge has perhaps removed the last set of blinkers I wore through my gold evolution, maybe and hopefully there are more surprises. Gold truly tis where tis, a lesson I fully appreciate now as I`ve stumbled onto these virgin patches well away from workings, way out in the fringes. Very few signals that aren`t gold, and yes I have had many missions that I returned from without gold and am continually getting more patience to accept these missions. Way back as stated in the first paragraph I reckoned I had the answers to this game now I know I don`t and that is why the challenge keeps us motivated keenly with this fever we have.

Could be the increase domestic RV demand caused by Covid is flowing over into our hobby. Inflation has been way off topic since last century, the crazy 80s are only a memory for us oldies, maybe not just the pandemic but Chinas economic growth is shifting the worlds balance. For us this all should see the gold price zoom, especially if cryptocurrencies fall out of favor.

Who rules the pups, dogs or the user, tis the King and the Prince`s/Princess`s, never the user for he is but a captive addicted servant.

Whoops JP we posted together again must get a apX satellite😉 For me until the 6000 has comparable coils to my Z/X combo and the 6000 shows it has depth of the Z/X on the larger stuff I`ll be keeping Z.

Until such time ML and X coil get together to eliminate the need for the patch cable, X coils are only the go for enthusiasts. The majority of consumers understandably want an off the shelf product. So to X coil I say, some of us will go down the patch cable route but the majority will not, that is very obvious from the X coil threads on this forum. The Fat Bastard vid shows the Z being cable connected ( did he mention what to? the music got to me I was rockin😉) whereas the 6000 appears stock standard on external speaker, the external speaker is good but the H/phone or Torus band lift detection capability of the 6000 well above that of the X coil range I use including the 17 concentric on scrap gold at depth. This is my opinion, we do not all share the same opinions because we are individuals working different ground.

Tis a concern if sweat/dust get to them that will bugger their reliability, Chase be keen to see how the ones you`ve got coming go.

Yeah I think you are right, Patch & Salt were added when Semi-auto, semi-auto was the one I use as both Patch & Salt although I tried didn`t prove of use in most the country I do. I imagine they are both used regularly in your country. Anyhow as I posted I hope ML can and do update the Z of course within its hardware constraints to refine its ability more, but it would have to not exclude the use of the X coils as I and many others know they add to the Zs ability. To clarify in relation to the 40% I did not knock this claim of MLs in fact in a post on this thread I said I do believe in circumstances the Z exceeds this 40%, my objective in those two posts was to illustrate in % the gain I believe the 6000 added. I apologize if this wasn`t stated clearly, far from knocking MLs claim I believe it is so, not that I don`t like having a bit of fun about it, so again I apologize to the ML Testors and to you Rob as thread Author.

All due respect Steve, the Zs update function has added semi-auto GB an additional brilliant feature that has helped recover more gold, thus ML have shown they can and do add features to the Z, for me I`d be prepared to pay for maxing out or adding features that the hardware in the Z can handle if it keeps the Z at the leading edge and I suspect I`m not alone amongst Z users here.

Tis no BS the ZX coil 17 Concentric has that sort of depth/sensitivity to scraps of gold, but IMHO it is beaten hands down only by one detector, the ML6000/11 mono if used with BT Torus band speakers or standard included BT ML100 H/phones seriously, what will the 6000 do with its 17Mono..... I am sorry X coil but that`s the reality of this fast paced tech world. Mono spiral coils for the 6000 may be the go for you, an around 12x8 be a top first build if possible.

Toyota Land Cruiser 78, complete LC70 series not available apparently in the US, check out on internet, mean hard working beasts the Kings of 4WD.

But you put the new minelab in the new truck and it all turns to gold.

Shame you folks don`t get the LC78 upover, we are spoilt downunder.😉

Tis just that you up-overs stretch us past our limits, don`t they learn youse nothin up there, ya got come down-under to get edumacated.

Geosense a la ZVT, or whatever it is that gives the 6000 its superior ground handling capabilities that allows detection of such small scraps so deep.

Yeah they have a sort of rubberised, stiff but flexible rear section of the band NE, very comfy. Haven't noticed how long they take to charge, just left on charge o'nite

No I have not forgot. I believe it exceeds 40% also in circumstances, but that's not measured, just an in field observation. Would love to know how it can be measured on undug gold. Regardless I put forward that the 6000 goes another 40% on scraps of undug gold over the Z with ML coils, whether it does that on 1 gram and bigger size I cannot say as yet, as simply have not experienced enough of such. To clarify without the joy of digging scraps of gold, I'd have no interest in this game as my backyard has very few multi ozers. KL, aye that 17.5 will swing you for sure.