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Took almost 3 years of swinging to get my first, bought mountains of books, geology, history. then in 81 I fluked a virgin patch, in those days there was very few revealed patches the country was mainly detecting virgin country. That first patch taught me I had to get to know how to use these new fangled electronic devices, Bounty Hunter RB7, I got a wee consistent considering I had the answers now and then I finally scored a dealer that had a Garret A2B in stock, in those days the demand was many times the supply, and dealers were 1000s of ks away. The A2B was the beginning for small gold which then and today is the bread and butter, regardless what you hear about OZ to me the great majority of weight in gold is those 3gram down to what you call dinks, subgrammers. Through VLF to ML PIs that as Gerry found got us back to the large deeper pieces, big mean picks/bars. Through all that to the GPS/moving map become almost as important a tool as the detector, geology and history, the patches that knowledge/research lead to have mostly been found through to today. We are the first generations to have the most efficient method man has had of loaming for gold, the importance of knowing how to use this and GPS/moving map software out in the field cannot be overstated eg. I have this piece of ground for 40 years I considered had to have surface gold, no mines within ks, no alluvial workings for 10s of ks, no faults shown on a succession of geo maps over those years, but some surface "salt" & "pepper" where the depth was little, run all detectors over it whenever a new more sensitive detector was in hand over those 40 plus years until the 6000 a couple of weeks ago. Well it got amongst those dinks at depth the Z couldn`t on a nearby virgin Z patch, and again I headed to that 40 year old "no gold" patch, the 6000 has proven that there is gold there, only subgrammers but at depth over a now proven flat that has gold in an area 500m x 100m and maybe more. Only two pieces have been close the rest have all been spread roughly 10m apart, tis as though it was mother natures chook yard and she just spread the feed/gold out by hand. As I name patches for recording, this patch I`ve called Placebo tis about 2ks from Hope Ridge a virgin patch the Z found but left deep dinks for the 6000. The GPS waypoints saved over the years has shown there is a line of patches some ks apart running along the same bearing. Placebo and Hope Ridge has perhaps removed the last set of blinkers I wore through my gold evolution, maybe and hopefully there are more surprises. Gold truly tis where tis, a lesson I fully appreciate now as I`ve stumbled onto these virgin patches well away from workings, way out in the fringes. Very few signals that aren`t gold, and yes I have had many missions that I returned from without gold and am continually getting more patience to accept these missions. Way back as stated in the first paragraph I reckoned I had the answers to this game now I know I don`t and that is why the challenge keeps us motivated keenly with this fever we have.

Could be the increase domestic RV demand caused by Covid is flowing over into our hobby. Inflation has been way off topic since last century, the crazy 80s are only a memory for us oldies, maybe not just the pandemic but Chinas economic growth is shifting the worlds balance. For us this all should see the gold price zoom, especially if cryptocurrencies fall out of favor.

Who rules the pups, dogs or the user, tis the King and the Prince`s/Princess`s, never the user for he is but a captive addicted servant.

Whoops JP we posted together again must get a apX satellite? For me until the 6000 has comparable coils to my Z/X combo and the 6000 shows it has depth of the Z/X on the larger stuff I`ll be keeping Z.

Until such time ML and X coil get together to eliminate the need for the patch cable, X coils are only the go for enthusiasts. The majority of consumers understandably want an off the shelf product. So to X coil I say, some of us will go down the patch cable route but the majority will not, that is very obvious from the X coil threads on this forum. The Fat Bastard vid shows the Z being cable connected ( did he mention what to? the music got to me I was rockin?) whereas the 6000 appears stock standard on external speaker, the external speaker is good but the H/phone or Torus band lift detection capability of the 6000 well above that of the X coil range I use including the 17 concentric on scrap gold at depth. This is my opinion, we do not all share the same opinions because we are individuals working different ground.

Tis a concern if sweat/dust get to them that will bugger their reliability, Chase be keen to see how the ones you`ve got coming go.

Yeah I think you are right, Patch & Salt were added when Semi-auto, semi-auto was the one I use as both Patch & Salt although I tried didn`t prove of use in most the country I do. I imagine they are both used regularly in your country. Anyhow as I posted I hope ML can and do update the Z of course within its hardware constraints to refine its ability more, but it would have to not exclude the use of the X coils as I and many others know they add to the Zs ability. To clarify in relation to the 40% I did not knock this claim of MLs in fact in a post on this thread I said I do believe in circumstances the Z exceeds this 40%, my objective in those two posts was to illustrate in % the gain I believe the 6000 added. I apologize if this wasn`t stated clearly, far from knocking MLs claim I believe it is so, not that I don`t like having a bit of fun about it, so again I apologize to the ML Testors and to you Rob as thread Author.

All due respect Steve, the Zs update function has added semi-auto GB an additional brilliant feature that has helped recover more gold, thus ML have shown they can and do add features to the Z, for me I`d be prepared to pay for maxing out or adding features that the hardware in the Z can handle if it keeps the Z at the leading edge and I suspect I`m not alone amongst Z users here.

Tis no BS the ZX coil 17 Concentric has that sort of depth/sensitivity to scraps of gold, but IMHO it is beaten hands down only by one detector, the ML6000/11 mono if used with BT Torus band speakers or standard included BT ML100 H/phones seriously, what will the 6000 do with its 17Mono..... I am sorry X coil but that`s the reality of this fast paced tech world. Mono spiral coils for the 6000 may be the go for you, an around 12x8 be a top first build if possible.

Toyota Land Cruiser 78, complete LC70 series not available apparently in the US, check out on internet, mean hard working beasts the Kings of 4WD.

But you put the new minelab in the new truck and it all turns to gold.

Shame you folks don`t get the LC78 upover, we are spoilt downunder.?

Tis just that you up-overs stretch us past our limits, don`t they learn youse nothin up there, ya got come down-under to get edumacated.

Geosense a la ZVT, or whatever it is that gives the 6000 its superior ground handling capabilities that allows detection of such small scraps so deep.

Yeah they have a sort of rubberised, stiff but flexible rear section of the band NE, very comfy. Haven't noticed how long they take to charge, just left on charge o'nite

No I have not forgot. I believe it exceeds 40% also in circumstances, but that's not measured, just an in field observation. Would love to know how it can be measured on undug gold. Regardless I put forward that the 6000 goes another 40% on scraps of undug gold over the Z with ML coils, whether it does that on 1 gram and bigger size I cannot say as yet, as simply have not experienced enough of such. To clarify without the joy of digging scraps of gold, I'd have no interest in this game as my backyard has very few multi ozers. KL, aye that 17.5 will swing you for sure.

I don`t understand why if someone steps up with the cash early that`s unfair to those who don`t, tis a risk they take and sometimes is rewarded. Although with ML it is hardly a risk and has always been rewarded, even though they paid a premium in the Zs case and that may prove so also in the 6000s case. MN I suspect tis all part of MLs marketing strategy, here on DP the 6000 hype has/is dominating big time and why not is only a 5 year happening.

Righto, from my perspective with a few weeks of 6000 use and 6 years of Z use, the Z not only gave us 40% more depth it gave us sensitivity to surface/near scraps the GPX`s before couldn`t compete with. The X coils come along and gave us still more depth and sensitivity. There will be many that argue that but they haven`t walked the walk. That level has been lifted again with the 6000, the depth it is giving on scraps is remarkable and seems unbelievable as was the Z when we first had it to hand. Those depths on scraps are 40% better than the Z/X combo which are 10%+ better then the Z with ML coils, here I`m comparing the production spiral wound X coils, I have not had enough time to properly compare the concentric coils depth in the field on actual undug targets simply because I`m having a ball with the 6000. If the 6000 with bigger coils performs as the GPXs before it did with bigger coils I believe the Z is no longer King. From my use the 6000s depth on scraps is due to its ground handling capability being superior to all before including the Z, and I cannot see that will not be so with larger coils. Here I look forward to Gerry having one in hand and reporting if its timings can compete with the constant VLF. For the Z to be King again it would have to have that the 6000 ground handling capability, perhaps ML have that covered in a software update. Aye ML competing with ML, question why do they still market the Z as King? I am not selling my Z with X coils anticipating ML have an update in the works.

Torus goes into pair mode after switch on, just pressed the BT button on the 6000, external speaker shut down, H/phone icon showed up on 6000 screen and paired AOK, after that each switch on Torus was there automatically. Easy as.

Nah not a fish, have to get ML to make a 6000 fishing reel...... ?

Just spent two days with 6000 and Aventree Torus, WTG they pair up effortlessly, no lag, hang around your neck like they are glued there, signal response is magic no lag with there volume turned well down. I used them st to speakers and left the ear buds recessed in there cavity, If they prove reliable they are the bees knees' Now the novelty of a new buy has worn off, the 6000 has found its 2nd patch quiet a large one about 150m long 50m wide so far, all deep subgrammers on a gentle heavily grassed flat that I`ve considered had to have gold and have run all detectors over since year dot, the 6000 the only one that has scored. Only bitch I`ve got is I`m going to have to go over all my country again, I`ll be sufferrrrrrrrrrrrn big time ..............?

Mens Women's Legionnaire Cap Sun Hat UV Neck Protection Summer Fishing Fish Hat | eBay I`ve this one on the way (coz it`s available in OZ) just in case the Torus band is not the go.

Not sure the Zs dead yet, ML are clear they still place the Z as King, to me it no longer is but perhaps ML have something up their sleeve, well they`ve always got something up their sleeve. A software update for the Z, heh JP is that why your stiill swinging the Z?, you`ve updated software your trialing on yours haven`t you?. Please pass on to ML from their most dedicated "addict" DON`T exclude us X coil users from the update..... PLEEEZEEEEEEEE

No hard work involved at all, all hard play, good fun for me Gerry, I mean no offence to any religion but the GoG is/has/will be my mistress. I ask who could ask for more in life? Not me. Now I`m bugging off to the GoG on an o`nite mission.

Your question now the 6000 is here, is get a 6000 rather then additional coils for the Z. Will be much lighter to add larger mono coils for the 6000 when/if they become available rather then DoD or concentric coils for the Z. As you know I have the luxury of both ie. a good range of X coils for the Z and a 6000, my dilemma is I`m having so much fun with the 6000 when? will I use the Z again but having been around awhile I know the day will come when ML supersede the 6000 and on and on it goes.