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Sadly, I think you need to scrap the comment under the 24k that Nel are making coils for it, I can't see that happening now unfortunately ?

I'm surprised you're saying the 5000 is discontinued Rob, this doesn't appear the case in Australia where the price on it has just gone up and now they only include 1 coil in the new package. Still for sale at the dealers in Oz too. Minelab GPX 5000 Metal Detector -11" Mono Coil + 15" Mono Coil Bundle (minersden.com.au) And listed on their website as a current model. GPX 5000 - Metal Detector (minelab.com) They would be nuts to discontinue it at the moment, as they have no replacement for it, no other PI with discrimination, with the settings it has to allow it to work in ground other detectors they sell can't. With competitors now flaring up with their PI's it's a bad time to discontinue it until they have another model on the market themselves to take its place. The 6000 doesn't replace the 5000, very different detectors, and I think the 6000 should not have been called a GPX and been a new model name leaving them room to release an updated 5000 model that is from the GPX pedigree.

These are my views on the two detectors, and it sounds like either detector will do the job for you, and if you wanted to chase the smaller stuff you can get reasonable results by putting a smaller coil on the 5000, I would think they'll get similar depths, or near enough to anyway on 2-gram solid bits and the 5000's a whole lot cheaper so if that's a factor in the decision. The 5000 also handles hot rocks and some bad ground better, significantly better with hot rocks. The 6000 handles EMI better. The 6000 is much more sensitive to smaller gold, lighter, easier to use and in most ways better. If money is no object the 7000 would be worth looking into as when it comes to depth, it's the best. Now, the disclaimer, the 5000 misses some gold that the 6000 does not, due to the makeup of the gold, which is why my first question was to do with the composition of the gold as it can be weak on some gold especially specimen porous type gold, it may not hit it at all or just be weak on it when the 6000 hits it perfectly. . I agree with Chuck above, the little gold usually outnumbers the bigger bits and if the right detector is used that ground may light up with smaller deeper bits and this is where the 6000 and 7000 excel.

Are the nuggets porous, specimen type nuggets or solid chunks?

Thanks Jeff, that's awesome they have had you involved and well done to Nokta for doing so, as you are one of the most suitable for the task that I know of, never letting any issue pass you by that you notice and being relentless in making sure your woes are satisfied. Between 1.09 and current little needed fixed compared to previous versions, in saying that it appears the final niggly little issues have been resolved. I agree through, if every manufacturer took on feedback the same without hurting egos it would be great, and hopefully Garrett are just as open to feedback. I would argue Minelab were very responsive about the small gold sensitivity issues with the Manticore, it was corrected quickly once they received feedback. I'm sure they have to filter through something like 80% of the end user feedback to find the gems though, it's really not that simple and could throw them off if they listened to everyone. I truly hope Garrett are doing the right thing with testers on their new detector, they did well with the Axiom and its testing, yes, they've had hardware issues like it seems every manufacturer has causing inconsistent product, when people have a good one which is most buyers, they really seem to be pleased with it. Hardware issues are difficult, you can't control the production of parts you buy to assemble your product, like Nokta can't control their speakers, Minelab can't control their inductors and so on, that's just bad luck and to me personally, what matters is how they handle it once it happens, and Garrett are known to be outstanding with their warranty serivce.

I can't agree with that, as much as I think it's absolutely fantastic Nokta regularly update their firmware (on the current hit detector neglecting others) they have had to do a lot of updates that should have and could have been done while in beta testing prior to release. Sure, some are customer feedback, which could possibly have just been tester feedback had it been tested properly, but the list of updates says it all really and I guess many of them have been long forgotten, there was also hardware issues with the USB controller, flash tool and speaker that could possibly with luck have been picked up with more testing. I'm not knocking Nokta, I think they've done a brilliant job with the Legend and I give them 100% for the updates they have been doing, still if they rectified a majority of them prior to release it would be a much better experience for the end user, remember the days without firmware updates? All of these updates they've since done, nobody would get. As much as we like to support Nokta's efforts, it was not even remotely ready at release. If you remember prior to release I for one and many others were giving them a hard time about refusing to put iron bias on it. Changelog of the firmware versions they release the updates for, others are suppressed or just noted as "various bug fixes" which all programmers know are bugs that are too embarrassing to admit, don't worry, even Minelab use this generic term on their firmware updates, notice some beta updates information is supressed. ? System Software V1.13 (2023.10.16) Updates Made: This update allows for easy switching of the Bluetooth headphones connection between AccuPOINT and The Legend, and better compatibility with your devices. System Software V1.11 (2023.03.01) Updates Made: 1. A new level “0” has been added to the Iron Filter (IF) setting in the Park, Field and Goldfield modes. In addition, a new level 9 has been added to the Iron Filter (IF) setting. There has been no change to the levels 1-8. Level 9 will become handy when trying to discriminate some unwanted mid-conductors such as shotgun cartridges as iron. 2. The Backlight setting has been reconfigured as below: The Backlight setting’s levels have been increased to 6 from 5. Levels 1-5 in the software version 1.09 is now equal to 2-6 in this version. Level 1 in this version is now the reduced level. 3. The automatic Backlight setting has been reconfigured to work as below: a) When the automatic Backlight setting was on, the automatic Backlight was not activated when the pinpoint button was pressed to turn on Tracking in the Ground Balance screen. This now has been updated. b) When the automatic Backlight setting was on, the Backlight was turning off once you exit the Settings menu. This now has been updated so that the Backlight goes off within the normal time-out period. c) When the automatic Backlight setting was on, the automatic Backlight was not activated when the pinpoint button was pressed in the Notch Discrimination Pattern. This now has been updated. d) While in Automatic Ground Balance, the auto backlight will now be lit until the ground balancing is completed. 4. M3 multi frequency in PARK mode has been updated to prevent coins from being masked by aluminum foil. 5. Bottle Cap Rejection setting has been added. When the device is in multi frequency, select the Recovery Speed setting and press the pinpoint button. When you navigate with the right and left buttons, you will see the letters “bC” appear on the right side of the screen. You can adjust the bC value between 1-8 using the + and – buttons. When the bC is 0, it means that it is off. 6. Ground Suppressor setting has been added. It is used to eliminate false ground signals in tough terrains. To access the setting, select the Recovery Speed setting and press the pinpoint button. When you navigate with the right and left buttons, you will see the letters “GS” appear on the right side of the screen. You can adjust the GS value between 1-8 using the + and – buttons. When the GS is 0, it means that it is off. It is recommended that you leave this setting at off position unless needed. 7. The audio emitted as the Tone Break points are changed while in 60-Tone, has been modified with increased bass. 8. Audio Gain setting has been activated in the Gold Field Mode. 9. Warning tones have been added to the buttons. The buttons will now emit a warning tone in the following cases: a) To indicate the minimum and maximum levels of settings. b) When an inactive setting in a specific mode trying to be activated. The loudness of the warning tones will work directly proportional to the Volume setting. 10. Bluetooth Chip Version will now be displayed. When the Bluetooth headphones are paired with the device and the Bluetooth setting is selected, press and hold the Discrimination button. The Bluetooth chip version will be displayed in the clock section. When the button is released, the clock will be displayed again. 11. The loudness of the Volume Level 1 has been reduced in PARK, FIELD and BEACH modes. 12. General improvements have been implemented. System Software V1.09 (2022.07.12) Updates Made: 1. Iron Filter and Stability settings have been added. When the device is working in Multi frequency, select the Recovery Speed setting and press the pinpoint button. Letters “IF” (Iron Filter) will appear on the right side. Iron Filter (IF) setting ranges between 1-8 and the default value is 8. Default value 8 is the same as the previous versions (v1.05, v1.07) Legend with no iron filter setting. Lower IF setting will increase the probability of ferrous targets to be classified as non-ferrous targets and vice versa. Stability setting (st) is the fine tuning for the IF setting. When the IF is set to 8, the st setting will be inactive in the Park, Field and Gold Field modes. When the IF is set to any value below 8, the St setting can be activated by pressing the right or left button and can be adjusted by using the + and – buttons. NOTE: The st setting in the beach mode is different than this new st setting! 2. A new multi frequency (M3) has been added to PARK and FIELD modes. Ideal for humid, wet and/or conductive soils. It reduces the effect of moisture in soils which can cause falses. It also weakens the response of targets generating 10-11 IDs such as coke and aluminum foil. 3. Tone Pitch has been added. In Tone Pitch, as the coil approaches the target, the audio frequency will change in proportion to the signal strength. It can be selected from the number of tones setting and is shown with a P. 4. Audio Gain setting has been added. Audio Gain setting will increase the volume of weak target responses. In the PARK, FIELD and BEACH modes, after selecting the volume, press the pinpoint button. Letters AG will appear on the right side. You can adjust the AG using the + and – buttons between 1-6. The default value is set to 3. Audio Gain does NOT increase depth. 5. Mute function has been added. On the main screen, press and hold the Frequency button to mute the device. Letters “AO” (Audio Off) will appear on the right side. You can unmute by pressing and holding the Frequency button. Even if muted, the device will revert back to unmute in the custom discrimination pattern (notch), ground balance and settings menus automatically. 6. Auto sensitivity drop in the custom discrimination pattern When you select the custom discrimination pattern (notch), the sensitivity drops down to 5 automatically. However, if you are using the automatic notch, you may not want the sensitivity to be lowered. In this case, press the Ground Balance button once to revert back to the current sensitivity. Letters “CS” (current sensitivity) will be displayed on the right side. 7. Hearing the audio through the speaker and the Bluetooth headphones at the same time When the Bluetooth setting is selected, if the Bluetooth HPs are paired, press the up button and select 2. 8. Reverting Back to Factory Defaults After selecting the user profile in the settings menu, press and hold the pinpoint button until letters Fd appear on screen. Fd will disappear after 2 seconds. 9. Discrimination Pattern is now saved. Default discrimination pattern for PARK, FIELD, and BEACH has been defined as “F (Ferro-off)” and as “G (Ground-off)” in the Gold Field Mode. 10. Mineralization Indicator In the ground balance menu, press the discrimination button to activate the mineralization indicator. Letter GI (Ground Indicator) will appear on the right side. When you press the discrimination button again, it will revert back to Ferro Check and FC will appear. Ground Mineralization refers to the naturally occurring minerals in the ground that affect a metal detector’s performance. There are two main types of ground mineralization: Iron particles and salt such as saltwater beaches. This causes the ground to become conductive. Both produce false signals that mask targets. Left side of the mineralization bar shows iron particle mineralization and the right side shows mineralization due to salt. The right side works in multi frequency only! 11. The selected setting in the settings menu will now blink for easier viewing. 12. The default threshold frequency level in Park, Field and Beach modes have been changed to 10. 13. Threshold parameters have been updated in the Park, Field and Beach modes. 14. Audio during ground balancing has been updated. 15. Ground balance and pinpoint function parameters have been updated. In automatic ground balancing, if the ground response is too weak or if there is metal where you are trying to ground balance, the detector will now drop the ground balance value to 0 automatically. 16. ID stability has been improved for changing ground balance values. System Software V1.07 (2022.04.14) Updates Made: 1. Beach Mode Multi-W and the Pinpoint in this mode has been improved and updated. 2. Bluetooth headphones pairing criteria have been updated. The device will now search for the headphones it has been paired with initially and try to connect to those. This will prevent the device from connecting to other Bluetooth devices when the Bluetooth setting is on. If you want to pair the device with different Bluetooth headphones (other than those it was initially paired with) you must delete them from memory as explained in the manual. 3. The sensitivity value will now be displayed also in the Target ID section. 4. The ground phase value calculated through automatic ground balance as well as tracking will now be saved. 5. Multi-1, Multi-2, Multi-D, Multi-W frequencies will now be saved. The device will start with the last frequency used. 6. The default Number of Tones for Park and Beach modes have been changed to 2. 7. The default Tone Volume level of ferreous tone has been updated per each mode. 8. The Ground Balance menu icons and the tones have been updated. 9. The battery bar levels have been updated to be more linear. 10. Bugs have been fixed. System Software V1.05 (2022.03.16) Updates Made: 1. Pinpoint function has been improved. 2. M 1 Multi Frequency parameters have been updated. 3. Audio alert for Automatic Frequency Shift (Noise Cancellation) completion has been extended. 4. Factory default Tone Break value has been changed from 11 to 10 in Park mode. 5. Ferrous Off Discrimination Pattern has been updated to reject IDs between 1-10 in Park & Field modes. 6. Threshold audio level has been increased in Gold mode. 7. Audio response during ground balancing in Gold mode has been updated. 8. Backlight levels have been re-configured. 9. Bugs have been fixed. My point is, I hope Garrett if they are releasing a SMF detector, have its problems and features ironed out better than this. Yes, it's fantastic they do it, but they're using users as testers as much of this should have been resolved before release, as every programmer knows though, once software hits the wild, the bug reports flow in far more than small scale testing. Many of these improvements listed, I have a feeling Jeff, you would have noticed yourself and reported had you been one of their testers.

There are plenty of cheaper detectors that work really well given the right situation, so if you describe your local area and what sort of ground you would be looking for targets, I'm sure between us all we can put you onto relatively cheap equipment to do the job. Some detectors are insanely overpriced for little other reason than they have little to no competition due to locking up the technology with patents.

I think even if Garrett don't meet expectations and fall short of getting it up to Legend standard they'll still sell a bucket load of them, if there is one thing Garrett are good at, it's marketing. Not only with these highly viewed questionable Youtube personalities they also manage to get their brand name out there in many TV shows, I see the Garrett name pop up quite often, in Movies and TV shows. Today I stumbled across a current US show called Duck Family Treasure, it's in its second season, and of course, they're using Garrett AT's, many US shows Garrett is the brand of choice, they even managed to convince the Gold Gypsies from Aussie Gold Hunters to use the Garrett ATX for a season, it didn't last beyond that but at least they gave it a shot, it's a shame it wasn't the Axiom at the time had they released it pre GPX-6000 it probably would have been a great marketing ploy for them and really given that detector a boost, they would have really made a dent in the PI detector world if it was just competing against the 5000 in the PI's, sadly too late on that one with the 6000 on the market first and with their existing foothold on the market. The Hoffman's on Gold Rush often had a big Garrett sign hanging on the wall in their gold room, and a AT Gold or something hanging on the wall for marketing, even though you know they never use them on the show they have them there for decorations ? Because of this, and the fact a bulk of the buyers of the detectors Garrett make are likely not hanging around on metal detecting forums or social media platforms seeing everyone using the latest and greatest from other brands, they're just regular people that decided they'd give metal detecting a try and Garrett especially in the USA is a big name so they think if they buy a high-end Garrett VLF they're getting something considered top of the line, regardless of if it is or not, I'm sure they're still selling AT series detectors in good numbers for this reason. Then there is the people that don't care about other brands and just want to use the one they know, trust and find stuff with, and a for a huge number of people especially in the USA, it's a Garrett AT of some form, you just need to look at their Facebook group, bigger numbers than just about any other detector brand. I like Garrett as a brand, it's a real shame they're cost prohibitive in New Zealand, as I like their detectors, their build quality and their customer service, and what they stand for as a company, a company for their users, where their users mean something to them. I am very fond of my Ace 300i, with its Nel Tornado coil that thing is a weapon in mild soil on silver coins, I am embarrassed by its doorbell tones, but the performance of it for the type of detector it is, very impressive. The 24K I think is the best single frequency VLF gold detector on the market, I would jump at using their AT - MF when it comes out, sadly I just know it will be seriously overpriced in NZ so even if it's nice and cheap in the US it will be Deus 2/Manticore pricing here. Their Pro-Pointer AT is a true workhorse, almost as good as pinpointers get. I quite like my AT Gold, I got it a bit late in the game and had I had it earlier on when it was released, I'd be far more impressed. I've been looking forward to their AT series SMF for a while now, even though I'll likely never own it unless it does exceed the competitors to justify the extra cost of it, it would be just good to have another player in the market and by a good values company.

You're seeing my point very clearly, sometimes people may be great for marketing but not ideal to be testing products, so I truly hope they separate the marketing people from the testing people and have a good bunch of skilled users to be testing their product prior to release. I can think of another brand that released a detector that had to have endless fixes after release due to I believe a similar issue, after plenty of firmware adjustments now they appear to have it pretty good, this could have been done prior to release and they would have had a much smoother release with less disgruntled customers. If Garrett is releasing a new detector in 2024, I would hope it's out there in the hands of skilled users right now, going through many stages of updates, adjustments and retesting.

The manufacturers appear to pick people they get involved with more and more these days by their popularity than their actual ability, she can make good videos that people want to watch as she has lots of followers so from a marketing point of view, she's far better to have onboard than someone that isn't really good at making videos, isn't the personality that people like to watch and listen to yet is very good at using a detector. Many of the 27,000 people watching her videos probably swing their coil the exact same way and see nothing wrong with it, but that's my problem, the videos can be educational and people can learn from when they're made using proper technique. The Garrett Logo's and detector models AT and Apex advertised at the start of her video, the 27,000 followers, the Garrett hat being worn looking brand new., the AT pinpointer, her mate wearing a Garrett hat and jacket. it's as sponsored as they can get, she's plugged in enough to know a new model is coming. A number of the people these manufacturers get involved with as YouTube personalities are questionable with their detecting knowledge and ability, no brand is immune. I shouldn't be so harsh on her, she clearly has a lot of followers as people like her videos, I'm just not much of a video person and prefer raw real footage rather than stuff like that. I like a technical video more than a soap opera. Either way, I really hope Garrett can pull it off although I wholeheartedly agree with Steve's post above, tough times to be a detector manufacturer and it's only getting worse. The Axiom was an indication they can still bring viable detectors to the table.

Holy crap, I started watching her video at 14 minutes and she was swinging that coil way off the ground, it's a wonder she finds anything that's not the size of a coke can, I turned it off then, as that to me is a typical Youtube marketer and not a serious detector user. It's great to hear Garrett have something baking in the oven, it has to be a AT Series Multi freaker, so that's pretty exciting. They have the advance knowledge of all of the competitor's detectors now, their cards have been revealed so Garrett knows the benchmark, they'll either fail to deliver something worthwhile, meet it or exceed it, I'm hoping they can exceed it.

Well done, great to hear your products got some good exposure, the ones I've tried are great, I love the Swingy Thingy. Your swing arm alternative is far better than the Minelab version. Well deserved.

A clip or screw on magnetic connection would be ideal in that situation, I'd prefer one that screws on with the magnetic terminals just there for the signal transmission, a basic clip system may be strong enough for them not to keep getting knocked apart. Then it would just need a short cable with a 3.5mm or 6.3mm female jack on it to allow plugging in aftermarket headphones or accessories to let them take advantage of that LE Audio. A companion product to the neck speaker taking advantage of the same transmitter would be as Lunk had suggested a clip-on speaker to wear on your shirt, belt or harness, I prefer it up near my ears so harness or shirt are where I clip it. This also has an audio out 6.3mm port to plug in wired headphones which is ideal so can be used as a transmitter and receiver package but also ideally as a speaker. Minelab did a great job with theirs, except they used old technology and its latency was too high so it's not ideal and sales reflected that. They improved the latency on the WM10 and WM12 which are virtually the same thing with no need for a transmitter and the wireless built into the detector that they included with their high-end detectors the CTX and GPZ and couldn't be used on anything else and theses are very popular, what we are after is something that can be used on any detector, not limited to model. So, If Avantree makes a LE transmitter with 20ms latency, a neck band with a water-resistant design, loud audio, at least 12-hour battery life (many of us detect for an entire day so if it doesn't last a day it's not suitable) We are not super models, it doesn't have to look sexy, be very small, or look fashionable, it's a tool, a piece of equipment to help us find stuff, being solidly built is far more important than cosmetics. Wiggins, so you have an idea what I'm talking about, this is Minelab the biggest metal detector manufacturers attempt at a product we would like, they did well except for the poor latency. Note the built in speaker, it also has volume control, and it is very loud and can easily be used in high wind. Something like this, and sharing the same transmit module with 20ms LE Audio and also have the Neck band would be a very good combination to sell for Avantree. You could sell the transmit module, a package as a transmit and speaker or neck band, and just the speaker and neck band individually. Another advantage to the speaker receiver is it can be used for any plug in headphones thereby giving them LE audio while being untethered from the detector. Ideally the speaker and transmitter would be water resistant too, at least from rain. You could even make it so you could run a pair of the speakers off the transmitter as many gold prospectors prefer two speakers, one on each shoulder and that gives you the opportunity to sell more speakers. You could also design a good set of LE 20ms headphones for outdoor use with some water resistance and a solid build quality to top off the combination of detecting equipment. Gold prospectors pay $10,000 or more for their detecting equipment, throwing a few hundred dollars at some good audio equipment to go with that is nothing, especially when the audio is one of the most important factors of detecting.

You're spot on, in mild soils and coral sand beaches it's a bit of a depth demon, much like the CTX in that regard, a noticeable difference in depth over the Equinox. The extra power to the coil they marketed it with has some merit.

All this has inspired me to dig one of my GBP's out for another play. It's the only detector I was lucky enough to get a Nel Snake and Sharpshooter for before they become worth their weight in gold, I've also got my favourite single frequency VLF coil the Detech Ultimate for it. Makes it a pretty impressive rig with those coils so it's worth trying out the two clicks positive ground balance on some little nuggets.

They hope we lose lots of them, a good money maker for them ? To them the design was a win win, no more broken ears and customers buying new washers all the time to replace lost ones that have fallen out of the coils?

This is very exciting Avantree are working with detector users to come up with the ideal product, A Bluetooth LE transmitter that can be easily mounted onto a detector with a short audio cable to plug into a detector along with a Torus type neckband with LE and as low latency as possible would be fantastic. It would be ideal if the Torus type device was made a bit more rugged for outdoor use, these things get dirty, bashed around a bit and the cloth type design of the Torus isn't ideal for metal detecting. A hard plastic shell with no cloth material would be better, a bit like the Technica atpX LL ones and water resistant so they can be used in rain would be great, no need for full waterproof, people aren't going swimming with the things on and that would limit their performance for most land users.. AT-NSP700TV|AV Accessories|Speakers|Audio-Technica I prefer the Torus shape and design better than this, but this is more rugged of a build for outdoor detecting use so a merger of this hard-shell plastic with the Torus design. The pull-out ear buds of the Torus are great too for when high wind comes into play, remembering to make everything as tough as possible so some really durable wire. The Torus has ideal volume level too, so it would be good to be able to keep it as loud as the Torus. I think you've got the right ideas going on already Wiggins. Anything with worse latency that aptX LL would be rejected by most as not usable, as it causes you to dig your holes offset from where the target is, the lower the latency the better but with LE being as low as 20ms with a lower bitrate that would be great.

What I like about Nugget Shooter Journals is even though he's a dealer, he's not spending his time on the videos trying to peddle his wares or promote products he sells. He genuinely just goes out looking for gold and showing his failures more often than not, the man finds as many pellets as I do ? He's done some informative videos from time to time on equipment too.

I can see it won't be long until people lose their coil rubbers for all their accessory Manticore coils, that's the big problem with the design.

The normal popular sizes like 17" round give little benefit on the 6000 to justify the extra size and weight, you have to go to extremely large sizes to give the GPZ a run for its money even though it's on a DOD coil and not a big round mono. The 19" GPZ coil even gives the 30x30 GPX 6000 coil a run for its money. Then when you factor in the ground the 6000 is going to struggle with those very large coils. The 6000 coils do not work well on the 5000. You've been very busy Chet, I do like the idea of your 6" round GPX 6000 coil. I guess your focus is now on making yourself a big GPZ coil for your big deep gold hunting goals. Thanks for your results.

I'm not a big video watcher, I do enjoy the odd NuggetShooter (Bill Southern) video. NUGGET SHOOTER JOURNALS - YouTube

Thanks Jeff, the Deus 1 shaft has to be one of the biggest failures of all time when it comes to shafts, if not the biggest so to see they carried that over to the Deus 2 doesn't give a lot of confidence, but then again it appears to simple things often get forgotten by metal detector manufacturers of all flavours in pursuit of performance so falling over detectors and twisting shafts are part and parcel of a modern detector. One's slogan is performance is everything, and it truly appears they don't care about anything else ? The Deus shaft should be great, all fantastic with one fatal flaw that really makes no sense they could make that mistake I don't measure targets by the centimetre, millimetre or less accurately inch as American's do, I measure by my own rules which include shallow, OK and deep, I'm not near as accurate as you are with my targets, some detectors surprise me with depth, others don't, some surprise me with sensitivity, others don't. I really have no idea of any accuracy of targets I dig and in no way can I dig a hole to accurately determine depth especially when using a pick gold detecting in rock hard ground nor do I want to spend the time doing so, I just know sometimes I'm happy with detectors and their depth, or their sensitivity, and other times I'm disappointed. Plenty of people I know have no motive such as yourself and F350 like the Deus 2 and are happy with it, and that's good enough for me. I'll give one a try. I wasn't overly impressed with the Deus 1 but I also understand the differences environments can bring so I just have to accept it may not suit me or my needs but it clearly was a popular hit with others with their needs and ground type, and targets available to them. The funny thing with detectors it's often not that people are wrong with their opinions, they're solid as a rock right in their ground, put them somewhere else in the world and they would be shocked, what they thought was absolute fact suddenly becomes questionable. I will never say someone is wrong with their opinions on detectors as unless I'm in their shoes I can't possibly know. I just take all trusted opinions and average them out and hope for the best ?

You should have been a mathematician ?

I guess you were armed with your 7000 for this? Fantastic gold, huge in fact, makes me embarrassed to show my recent efforts ?

Sadly, I can confirm X-coils won't be making Axiom coils at any point unless demand for them picks up from a trickle to a volume that can justify it which seems unlikely at this stage, and Detech who were initially very enthusiastic have dropped off the radar on it. At least Garrett produce a good range right from the word go. I would bet my left eyeball Coiltek and Nugget Finder won't do any so it's all in Garretts hands now. It's such a shame, no security chip yet no one interested. ? If the Axiom came out a couple of years sooner manufacturers would be rushing to make coils for it, I think if Garrett come to their senses and adjust the price in other countries outside of USA the Axiom make take off enough to prick the ears of coil manufacturers.