King-Of-Bling Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 4 hours ago, TampaBayBrad said: I don't like the way the guy chose to edit his new video trying to explain what Mark explained to him what facts were wrong with his original video. Why go to all this "Here's this part of the video from yesterday' and then insert a rambling interpretation of what you think Mark said. Just say "This is what I said yesterday and this is what Mark had to say about that." So much easier than muddying the waters on what was wrong about your original video and what you now know is correct after talking/corresponding with Mark. I agree on this one. I usually like his videos. Except for some of his sound effects and comedic bits he sometimes throws in. These were a bit strange. But I do give him credit for getting a response/reply from ML. Nobody else seems to get a reaction. Better than that other guy , who I just don't watch anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Herschbach Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Honestly this is all old hat. The TX Boost on the V3i bumped the voltage to the coil for 10V to 30V. White's could have made a big deal about this 200% gain in power. But they did not. They said this instead (V3i Manual page 48): Tx Boost – (On / OFF) Over-power the search coil to supercharge depth. Note; Causes rapid battery discharge and is susceptible to noise & overload. Recommended for very low mineralized grounds. Also recommended for high external electrical (EMI) interference, (Tx Boost ON, reduce Rx Gain, Discrimination, and All Metal sensitivity as necessary to regain stable performance). Sound familiar? The stupid exceeds FCC limitations objection BS is also an old one, comes up every few years. It was BS then and is BS now. Half the videos I’ve seen are just people putting their ignorance on public display. Luckily for them most of their audiences also don’t seem to know any better. Search Coils Are Not Antenna Metal Detectors and More Depth 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phrunt Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 The 50% more power to the coil is the new obsolete single frequency metal detectors statement. It's done as a headline grabber, pure marketing and it worked, everyone's talking about it. They're different in the way the Equinox did cause a bit of a stir and in fact other manufacturers must agree as anyone capable of making a multi frequency machine now has, they knew they had to if they wanted to stay in the game. I wonder if Nokta and possibly others follow with their next detectors claiming 60% more power to the coil. While not a bogus claim, it really doesn't mean much by the looks of it in overall performance, it certainly isn't increasing small target sensitivity such as gold nuggets, 2-3 cm extra depth on a 30cm target? Almost immeasurable in the real world. Minelab responded as his videos with a lot of followers were possibly damaging to sales of a new detector that they desperately need to sell a lot of, sales have been a bit slow for them lately, according to their shareholder announcements. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeff McClendon Posted February 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2023 I could care less whether Manticore has 50% more of something going to the coil. I just care about how it detects. Like some others who own one it seems to be great for some tasks and okay to good for others. The sentiment I keep reading is the “wow factor” has worn off. Anyway, Merrill of Detecting NYC rarely gets his technical facts straight. He actually confuses sensitivity and transmit power in this video and basically cannot understand (or doesn’t want to on camera in order to perpetuate his narrative) the very good responses that Mark Lawrie gave him. I get really tired of watching these click bait, agenda filled videos whether the agenda is either a grudge against a manufacturer, a particular detector, a forum, an individual or the agenda is pure self aggrandizement and ego mania. 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 On 2/3/2023 at 1:43 AM, phrunt said: While not a bogus claim, it really doesn't mean much by the looks of it in overall performance, it certainly isn't increasing small target sensitivity such as gold nuggets, 2-3 cm extra depth on a 30cm target? Almost immeasurable in the real world Bottom line. It was a marketing ploy of which many took the bait. All reports seem to convey that it is a excellent beach machine with great depth. I also believe with a new update in the future the iron issues should be resolved. For me though the jury is still out on the proprietary head phones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strick Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 When I watched his first video I was thinking this was his best act yet...it’s all an act even though he says he is looking for the truth that is one of his acts as well. Acting for viewers.... I mean no teacher is that ignorant to not do some basic research before slamming minelab like that and mocking the head engineer the way he did...I do give him an A+ for getting minelab to respond to some joe blow on the internet..I haven’t seen that before. And I’ll bet Lawrie is getting a good razzing from his fellow engineers at work about that lightning bolt super hero thingy lol. Strick 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 43 minutes ago, strick said: I’ll bet Lawrie is getting a good razzing from his fellow engineers at work about that lightning bolt super hero thingy lol. Strick Ha ha. That's exactly what I thought when I saw that. I saw the video mere minutes after he posted it. I fully expected it to be taken down in a day or so, and a possible lawsuit happening. I mean, he outright claimed a company is lying based on poor evidence and incomplete technical knowledge. If it was me, I would have titled the video as, "IS Minelab lying to us?". That one extra word would wash my hands of any legal repercussions. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steve Herschbach Posted February 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2023 10 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said: Honestly this is all old hat. The TX Boost on the V3i bumped the voltage to the coil for 10V to 30V. White's could have made a big deal about this 200% gain in power. But they did not. They said this instead (V3i Manual page 48): Tx Boost – (On / OFF) Over-power the search coil to supercharge depth. Note; Causes rapid battery discharge and is susceptible to noise & overload. Recommended for very low mineralized grounds. Also recommended for high external electrical (EMI) interference, (Tx Boost ON, reduce Rx Gain, Discrimination, and All Metal sensitivity as necessary to regain stable performance). Sound familiar? The stupid exceeds FCC limitations objection BS is also an old one, comes up every few years. It was BS then and is BS now. Half the videos I’ve seen are just people putting their ignorance on public display. Luckily for them most of their audiences also don’t seem to know any better. Search Coils Are Not Antenna Metal Detectors and More Depth Hopefully people pay attention to this. By increasing voltage to the coil, you can lower EMI if you reduce the other settings. Increasing the output increases the target response and the noise. The effect is uneven, so then reducing other settings reduces the noise more than the target signal, resulting in a clearer target and less apparent EMI. Very much like good old Dolby sound processing. This explains some of the observed differences in Manticore sensitivity and disc settings as compared to Equinox. And the increased battery consumption, offset by a larger battery. And extra performance in low mineral ground. Little to no gains in high mineral ground, and in fact in some high mineral ground the other reduced settings could result in reduced performance on some targets. There is no free lunch. Due to the inverse relationships imposed on metal detector depth gains, and the need to alleviate the ill effects of increased transmit power with offsetting reductions elsewhere, expectations in most circumstances should be moderate at best. But where conditions are favorable, there will be good increase over the Equinox. Unfortunately my areas are not those places. If I was a Florida beach hunter I’d have one already, but I’m not. Now, keep in mind Minelab is using more advanced processing than V3i and has no doubt done all they could to reap the benefits of increased coil voltage while reducing the problems associated with it. The lunch may not be free but they have tried to make it worth it. They are trying to get some Dolby magic via advanced processing. The V3i also had a fatal flaw in its multifrequency ground balance that surely Minelab does better by now. But again, none of this is new, and if people just put more work into understanding what they are talking about and the trade offs required, we would not get all this debate over marketing claims that suck in people who have no idea what’s being discussed. If a car company said this would you fall all over yourself to buy the vehicle, knowing nothing else about it? “Our 8 cylinder engine has 33% more cylinders than the competitions 6 cylinder engine." That is all Minelab has done, made a perfectly true statement. Anyone that says it's a lie is ignorant at best. It's the people taking that tidbit and deceiving themselves by reading more into it than it means that deserve the slap on the wrist. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBayBrad Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 31 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said: If I was a Florida beach hunter I’d have one already, but I’m not. Yessiree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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