Manticore Software Update - Available Now!

[midalake]

1 hour ago, TampaBayBrad said:

The dry sand ground balance....Dankowski says don't GB in dry sand set it to zero and turn tracking off, so I don't know what they have done with that.

Dankowski also has white sand. One has to be careful listening to his settings unless you are hunting next to him. 

[Chase Goldman]

1 hour ago, TampaBayBrad said:

Not much here for us strictly beach hunters who only hunt in beach modes. The red target ID #'s are nice but I was already viewing the red line above the ID's.

The dry sand ground balance....Dankowski says don't GB in dry sand set it to zero and turn tracking off, so I don't know what they have done with that.

I don't use the soft keys because I only hunt with 2 programs that I don't change settings within once I dialed them in:  a custom Beach Low Conductors or a custom Surf and Seawater. I stay in all metal all the time.

I did notice that I have to power down the detector sometimes when switching between wireless and wired headphone operation. I like wireless for dry and wet sand but need to plug-in the M-105's if I'm going deeper than waist deep water. Maybe that headphone connection stability improvement has something to do with that.

Well not all beach hunters reside in Florida like you and Tom and and aren’t perpetually blessed with the advantage of always working in “0” reference Florida dry sugar sand where this “update” has perhaps little usefulness. 

Ground balancing and tracking requires the presence of some level of mineralization to key off of.  So the detector ground balance algorithm works best when it can actually sense a change in mineralization level as the coil is pumped above (for auto and manual ground balance) or swept along the ground (for tracking ground balance).  Otherwise, you’ll just get a zero ground phase reading while pumping or unstable ground phase adjustments while tracking - which is just fine provided the dry sand ground phase is truly at or near zero.  Which is indeed the case for most beaches.

However, low magnetic mineralization dry sand at some beaches can still have a significant non-zero ground phase reference as a result of non-magnetic (I.e., non-black sand) mineral components.  But the auto ground balance algorithm may have trouble picking this up in low mineralization situations.  So I suspect ML has adjusted the dry sand ground balance algorithm to be sensitive to and to properly respond to changes in low mineralization levels so that a more precise ground balance point can be obtained on dry sand beaches that have a non-zero ground phase.  This enables the detector to run in horseshoe (i.e., No Discrimination) mode without experiencing non-zero ground phase “grunts”.  This update might also help those who utilize ground tracking to enable seamless, stable transitions between dry sand, to damp sand, to wet salt sand, and surf.

Granted not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but some outside of Florida and even in Florida might find it helpful.  

Sorry this is not an overly exciting update for you Florida beach hunters, but Manticore already seemed tailor made for the beach and I was not hearing beach hunters wanting for much more from Manticore out of the box.  Probably due to the fact that Tom D was so heavily involved in providing feedback to the designers in the early stages of design.

Is there something you really wish ML had addressed for the beach hunters in this first update that they did not provide, Brad?

[TampaBayBrad]

6 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

Well not all beach hunters reside in Florida like you and Tom and and aren’t perpetually blessed with the advantage of always working in “0” reference Florida dry sugar sand where this “update” has perhaps little usefulness.  

Sorry this is not an overly exciting update for you Florida beach hunters, but Manticore already seemed tailor made for the beach and I was not hearing beach hunters wanting for much more from Manticore out of the box.  Probably due to the fact that Tom D was so heavily involved in providing feedback to the designers in the early stages of design.

Is there something you really wish ML had addressed for the beach hunters in this first update that tge did not provide, Brad?

Thanks for the excellent break-down on different sand types Chase. Guess the guys in California may find the dry sand GB useful since they have the "black sand" in different areas. Me....I'm stuck with the soft sugar stuff. (Awe shucks!)

As you suspected, no there isn't anything really that I felt needed to be changed with the Manticore for my hunting style. I am really happy with it's performance and customization options that I tailored to my liking. I'm almost afraid to update the machine because I like it just like it is and I've had mine for 6 months now. I don't fiddle with any settings once I initially got it set the way I wanted it except adjusting sensitivity setting occasionally. Just noise cancel, ground balance and go! Wanna hit the water? Change program, ground balance and go! Yippee! ?

[Chesroy]

Looks like the update is geared more for the USA at present and your nail falsing issue's. 

Hopefully the next update will be geared towards inland hunting on ploughed farmland in Europe.

We need a module as the 105 headphones are not very well designed as wind noise is still a big problem. Surely the module will  enhance the Manticores sound and tonal experience.

But a step in the right direction keep them coming ML. I may yet re-invest in one.?

[phrunt]

They may have removed the restrictive Bluetooth LE connection, someone with some other Bluetooth LE headphones or ear buds needs to try connect it to the Manticore now and see if it connects.

[GB_Amateur]

13 minutes ago, Chesroy said:

Looks like the update is geared more for the USA at present and your nail falsing issue's. 

Hopefully the next update will be geared towards inland hunting on ploughed farmland in Europe.

So if it's not iron falsing that is causing problems in you ploughed fields, what is the source?

[Chesroy]

Just now, GB_Amateur said:

So if it's not iron falsing that is causing problems in you ploughed fields, what is the source?

Its does not perform well on airated soil, depth isnt everything I know that but when compared with the great results experienced on the beach in the beach modes it doesn't  compare. If it performed as well on this type of soil matrix as it does on the beach it would be near perfect for me. 

[GB_Amateur]

9 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Also a question for Manticore experts regarding the new “red” target ID feature, if this only works with the discrimination pattern suppressed (i.e., in horseshoe mode), what is keying the Manti to display the red numbers?  Is it the invoked, custom upper and lower Ferrous Limits pattern profile?

Keep in mind I've only watched the Mark Dayton YouTube video (linked on the initial post of this thread), let alone possessing the 'expert' qualification.  ?  I have not uploaded the update to my MCore nor have I looked at the new user manual version.  With those caveats in mind, I don't see any other interpretation of this red numeral readout than what you have concluded -- specifically if a Ferrous+Conductive signal is in the (light) gray area Ferrous Mask of your 2-D screen while in "All Metal" mode, the Conductive VDI will be completely red.

This seems like a rather minor tweak since previously you got a dark gray VDI with a red underline.  I guess some people had trouble noticing the underscore??

So here's my question -- those new features which are assigned to the user option button(s), is it only the RH side button that accomodates this or can the front user assignable buttons also be activated for this?  I like the ability to clear the Target Trace hits quickly but if it means I'm required to do that with the awkward side button, I'll be more than a bit disappointed....

[phrunt]

1 minute ago, Chesroy said:

Its does not perform well on airated soil, depth isnt everything I know that but when compared with the great results experienced on the beach in the beach modes it doesn't  compare. If it performed as well on this type of soil matrix as it does on the beach it would be near perfect for me. 

I have no idea about this stuff but did you manually ground balance away from the aerated soil and then go into it and see how it goes?  At a guess I'd think the ground balance would be the only thing that would change the results with aerated soil over nearby compacted stuff.  How does your Nox 800 perform in the same situation?