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Ahh you're all the ball, it's probably adjusting to NZD but just doesn't say so.

New coil arrived today, works great, problem solved. Thanks Nolan @ Minelab! Time elapsed April 25 - May 14 = 19 days

I saw a similar thing happen in the flyfishing industry over 20 years ago. I owned a fly shop in the 1990's which IMO was the peak of the fly shop era. There were probably 10 or more fly shops in 30 mile area all doing a pretty good business. We had a 1400 sq/ft shop, did guided trips and had access to a private ranch where people could pay to stay multiple days and flyfish private river access and small lakes. It was a pretty good business that made me and my partner a decent part time income and employed a few local people as well. Then in the early 2000's, premium fly rod brands started selling to big box retailers. As others have said about metal detectors, people would buy from the big box retailer and then come to our shop expecting us to show them how to use a flyrod and tell them the best places to fish. As more and more of this kind of thing happened, it was apparent what direction things were going. You can't make money selling a few odds and ends and fly tying material. The big money was in selling the rods, not the flies and other small stuff. So when Cabela's announced they were building a store about 7 miles from us, we decided to shut sown the shop. Since that time all the shops in the area have closed there doors and more big box stores have picked up premium flyrod brands. There are still a few hold outs in the industry that will only sell to small authorized dealers, but for the most part even the premium fly rod brands will sell a flyrod to anyone direct. It's the wave of the future, so I wouldn't expect the metal detecting industry to be any different. I for one do try and support local dealers as much as possible.

Been there for a long time myself. Best part about prospecting is being in the middle of nowhere with only a dog or a burro for company. Me in a past life....

I`m in a fairly remote area, get near everything by post/courier, Coles (OZ Supermarket chain) bulk deliver groceries free every few months but I still like to have my detector, coils etc. posted from my dealer as he`s 500ks away one way. I guess to me it will make little difference once Minelab has gone direct, the way it`s going the day is coming when all our local country pubs/hotels close. We`ll end up a bunch of impersonal antisocialists and have to hang tassels on our curtain holders.

When I click the Detectorist link above it says $2,275. Had to check back and VicR had a post in January advising that same price. It’s not showing up as NZ $$ when you click the link is it Phrunt?

May 4 2003 We continue to make progress on our trail. We have not heard or seen anyone in the entire area including camp at last year's dig site. It’s completely quiet. I can’t explain it but I have a sort of ominous feeling about the trail and Dreamwind Canyon. It’s as if I can feel bad energy as we are working. We are all just going about our business without any distractions so everything is off to a good start. Paul is a real work horse and is doing more than his share of labor. We are making great progress and I am hopeful that we will have the new camp set up within a few days or maybe a week. TO BE CONTINUED ................

Ease of use is relative, the GPX series has much more settings and timings that covers a variety of soil conditions. GPX has much improved performance over older minelab PI. Read Detector Data Base and most of your questions will be answered.

Doc, you don't hope I'm right in the way I'm meaning. That walk in store I am talking about is much more likely to be a Cableas or a Walmart or even a Costco. Independent small scale shops are pretty much limited to only those that have been in business for years and are still hanging in there. Guys like you Doc, and Ron, Gerry, Rob, etc. When you all close the doors, and that will not be too far down the line, nobody is going to replace you. We've all had a good go, myself included, but we are the past, not the future. I've heard people complain and make noise about how Minelab does things for ages, yet fall all over themselves to be first in line to buy that new model when the time comes. If the GPZ 8000 is Minelab direct only, will people boycott Minelab in support of dealers? Dream on.

Why not prospecting audio theme, as the original Tom's settings? Objects in the detection limits gives you that special barking sound 😉

I don't expect so, but I also don't rely on my local dealer (who is reachable and knowledgeable) for that either unless my detector is just plain dead (and even then, I am going to the manufacturer's warranty support dept anyway). If my phone is actually working in the field, and I have a question about how to do something with the detector that is not in the user guide, I would just post the question on Detector Prospector. Plenty of help here (including all these legendary dealers) and multiple brains are better than one (or none).

Say what you will about the XP wireless coil and peripherals, but see below for one of the actual advantages of the XP wireles architecture. Just scan the recovery area with the coil. Hold the remote or smart puck in your hand for target ID. Use wireless phones or your remote's speaker for audio. Only wish they had a small elliptical that was compatible with the D2. I've used this method often for scanning sidewalls and removed dirt piles for excavated relic pits. I don't actually have this coil handle, I just remove the lower rod from the stem of my XP and have at it using the stem as a handle, but have often thought about fabricating such a thing.

When I’m in the field one day and I need help with a problem that I may be having will they be there? It was a time Minelab was eating humble pie wanting dealers but now you made them big bye offering support after the sale that wasn’t costing Minelab a dime. If Minelab don’t need dealers I’m not so sure I need them due to the fact we see new detectors coming out everyday from other companies that may equal anything Minelab has to offer. Chuck

You’re right, Steve, there are a lot of people that like to buy online but I think the personal touch when you buy online and then get to show up for training later is a competitive advantage for some dealers over the others who market and sell online. I don’t expect (or really want) Minelab to start doing it.

Steve I hope you're right. HOWEVER, there are only so many hours in a day. I feel compelled to help people that purchased a Minelab detector from someone other than myself, even though I don't have the time to take care of my customers and big box store customers too. I have customers that say, I know I bought my detector from XYZ store but no one there can answer my question, and being you are a Minelab dealer I was wondering if you could answer just one question for me. Which invariably turns into 20 questions and a 50 minute conversation. There is no polite way to say, hey so sorry. That's why you should buy from your local dealer who uses the machines they sell. First, that runs contrary to my personality of wanting to help people interested in this hobby, and Second, these could be possible customers for my accessory items down the road. But I can tell you it absolutely kills me when I have a person who I literally spent hours and numerous calls telling them how to set up their GPX5000 purchased from a different company, who years later calls me back and says. "I appreciate it so much that you helped me with my GPX5000 a couple years back so I was wondering if you could help me set up my GPX6000." When I asked where they got their 6000, it was from the same place they purchased the 5000 who gave them zero customer service after the sale. It's frustrating. Seriously, I don't know how detector dealers stay in business. Doc

But multi- yes....

look at the price, they've bumped it up.

The marketplace has been splitting and sorting for some time. You have people who like to go to a store locally and buy things in person. And you have people who want to buy things online and have them shipped to their doorstep. There is good reason for companies to support dealers who have local stores that cater to people who want to buy that way. There is also no real reason to share online sales with anybody. Going forward I expect companies in general to hoard online sales to themselves, while also supporting any brick and mortar operations that want to display and sell their product to walk in customers.

I'm not real clear on this but I think the demographics of the Aussie Detectorist and the American Detectorist is a bit different. Many professional prospectors in Australia, do this for a living or to supplement their income. In the U.S detecting, for the most part, is a very social affair. Part of the allure is the camaraderie. I never hear of outings in Australia. That's a big part of detecting here. Especially gold prospecting. We have outings and instruction and learning and camp fires and sit around and tell lies. American prospectors and especially newbies want some hand holding. They want a part time mentor to answer their questions. I sold a Gold Monster to a customer two weeks ago, he has called me five times. A couple of times to ask questions, a few times to tell me how impressed he is with the detector and happy I steered him in the direction of the Gold Monster. Also Americans are very demanding in their expectations. "Hey the box arrive but the corner is caved it." "I'm sorry is the detector OK?" "Oh yeah the detector is great no damage, but the corner of the box is caved in." (Let me think on that one? We don't have a shipping box repair service that I can send out to repair a shipping box that you are going to throw away anyway.) "Listen, I am so sorry. You know these shipping services are not very careful, that's why we always put the Minelab Detector Box inside a shipping box. What can I do to make you happy/" "Oh nothing! I just wanted you to know." My sense is, it's a different detecting culture here. Maybe I'm wrong, it's just my speculation. Doc

I don't know about You, but this is what I have in my mind now...

I think Doc pretty much nails it here. Minelab will have to hire experienced Minelab USERS to man their customer support and help line for direct sales, and they may find that expensive. Experienced dealers who can provide face-face instruction will never be replaced. Whether it's teaching folks to prospect for gold, or how to set up your Manticore for relic hunting, hands on instruction and classes are the next step for dealers. There is money to be made instructing groups of detectorists, and offering group discounts on detectors and equipment packages. New times, new challenges, new solutions.

White's made a lot of mistakes, not releasing the MX9 ranks pretty low.

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Based purely on my experience with the Manticore, even if I own it since April 11th only, there are a couple of key things missing trough some settings details. Talking about the "Nasa Tom" setup, an upper limit of 4 and a lower limit of 0 seems to create this "special power" on the machine and following the mentioned setup that You can find somewhere here in the forum, maybe even allows to raise the sensitivity some points more... But, there's an undeniable reality about the place and and time factor to give the answer time by time.... I mean, if you try to go over the 25 level, the noise/signal ratio will be increasingly noticeable and at that point, your resistance to falsing can make all the difference. I never used this setup with discrimination for a good reason. In spite of thinner or larger ferrous limits what you don't want It is to make mute the machine. An identical ferrous volume like the general volume, creates a strong audio filter which helps to clearly define a good non ferrous tone, by an "iron dirty" one. You don't even need to look at the 2D panel unless You want to know the ID or possibly the shape due to the related trace. At this point let's talk about the audio theme...I hardly found the prospecting theme to be effective with the coil submerged in the water, I'm sorry, especially cause I LOVE true treshold whispers instead of a threshold interruption in favour of a signal... Step by step We are now landed to the most similar setup which (maybe) will give You this magic without to get crazy... Beach LC General vol.25 Ferrous volume 25 Upper F.L. 4 Lower F.L. (Do like You want, cause depth will come in a second) A l l M e t a l Red ID activated Gb tracking or manual (I don't complain) Separation speed up to 7 if You want to listen for a signal among falsing over the 26 sensitivity level...(I hope with the M8 otherwise don't mind this and 5 should be ok till 22) Audio theme Depth Treshold 0 Min pitch 40 Max pitch 60 Ferrous pitch 1 U.w. boost only if You're under the surface That's it.... And this might be not the perfect potion due to y o u r environment, black sand thickness, old iron patches, hot rocks and Emi out of the water... Hope this helps 🏴‍☠️

Hello all. I have a 2100v2 with docs screamer/battery kit an an assortment of coils. I use it very occasionaly where I live in Alaska (more GB2 country) but hopefully I will get at least a couple weeks a year to niugget hunt around prescott az while visiting my wifes sister. Its not a lot of use so I dont want to spend big money but I do want my best chance of success. So my question is, will I see a marked difference in performance & ease of use between the upgraded 2100v2 & a gpx 4500 or 5000. I see very slightly used 4500s & 5000s up here regularly in the $2400/2500 range.