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Wow, I didn't realize how big the markets was in Africa......and how little it is in South America.

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I am disappointed in the Xterra having become obsolete. After swinging some Garrett and white units I got my first Xterra from Gerrys detectors in Idaho who is a dealer here on this forum back in 2008. As soon as I went out swinging that light weight and easy to read machine it was a complete change in my finds for the better. Then I added a DD coil and it got even better. I finally settled on the small 6 inch HF coil as my primary hunting coil. It did not get fantastic depth but was good for mild soil like I have here. It sure picked out the silver around old houses. 

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4 hours ago, bigtim1973 said:

Then I added a DD coil and it got even better. I finally settled on the small 6 inch HF coil as my primary hunting coil.

Wish you would have joined here and said that a few years ago.  I bought the X-T 705 with stock 7.5 kHz concentric, then got the two Coiltek 3.0 kHz DD's (6" Digger and 15"), next the ML 7.5 kHz 6" concentric, and finally the ML 19 kHz 6" DD.  It took that long (and that much $!!!) for me to find a coil that I liked for coin hunting.  I later added the stock (for the Gold detecting option) ML 5"x9" 19 kHz DD.  So you and I ended up at the same place!  A legitimate complaint of the X-T, as I'm sure you are aware, was that you had to buy a different coil to change frequency.

The iron wraparound of both lower frequencies drove me crazy.  If I knew then what I know now, maybe I could have worked around that.  I also finally learned after trying to beat my head against the concentric wall that I'm a DD person, exclusively.  But the Digger coil had the worst wraparound so it wasn't the coil configuration that caused me problems.  I've since heard more compliments of the gold prospecting side of the X-T 705 than the coin hunting mode, but that may be as much because this site leans toward that kind of detecting (although that has changed a lot lately).

I did OK with that the X-T 705 in spite of my issues with wraparound, but once I got the Fisher F75 the X-T was relegated to mothballs.  I even canabalized it to convert my ML Equinox to an S-shaft.  (I made sure to keep that reversible, though, in case I need to resurrect the X-T someday.)

Thanks for the reminders (I guess 🥴).

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This is where the other metal detecting companies are missing out, not making decent gold detectors.  Obviously that's where the money is, we all know Minelab make some of the best if not the best coin and jewellery machines and I would say the best selling coin/jewellery machines too by a significant margin yet a bulk of their money comes from gold machines.

It displays how little the market for those machines is in comparison to the gold machines yet none of the competition are really players in the gold market, mostly just with VLF's too which aren't where the money is and if Minelab feels threatened in the VLF prospecting machine market it really would not be hard for them to pop out a new better one quite easily.  They're in no rush to replace the GM1000 as it's still doing the job and as they say the GM is now the entry level gold detector of choice by the artisanal miners, I assume they mean in Africa where the bulk of gold detectors appear to be purchased.

If they want to get anywhere they need to start making some decent prospecting machines, ML desperately need some competition, if they had competition the prices would drop a bit and newer models would be released sooner 🙂

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On 9/23/2020 at 1:37 PM, GB_Amateur said:

Wish you would have joined here and said that a few years ago.  I bought the X-T 705 with stock 7.5 kHz concentric, then got the two Coiltek 3.0 kHz DD's (6" Digger and 15"), next the ML 7.5 kHz 6" concentric, and finally the ML 19 kHz 6" DD.  It took that long (and that much $!!!) for me to find a coil that I liked for coin hunting.  I later added the stock (for the Gold detecting option) ML 5"x9" 19 kHz DD.  So you and I ended up at the same place!  A legitimate complaint of the X-T, as I'm sure you are aware, was that you had to buy a different coil to change frequency.

The iron wraparound of both lower frequencies drove me crazy.  If I knew then what I know now, maybe I could have worked around that.  I also finally learned after trying to beat my head against the concentric wall that I'm a DD person, exclusively.  But the Digger coil had the worst wraparound so it wasn't the coil configuration that caused me problems.  I've since heard more compliments of the gold prospecting side of the X-T 705 than the coin hunting mode, but that may be as much because this site leans toward that kind of detecting (although that has changed a lot lately).

I did OK with that the X-T 705 in spite of my issues with wraparound, but once I got the Fisher F75 the X-T was relegated to mothballs.  I even canabalized it to convert my ML Equinox to an S-shaft.  (I made sure to keep that reversible, though, in case I need to resurrect the X-T someday.)

Thanks for the reminders (I guess 🥴).

I would have been happy to have told all of you all if I had only known about this forum!!

I did not spend as much as you have on coils because they were not as available back then for the different ones available now. I had both mid and high freq large minelab coils and small 18khslz 6 inch HF coil.

The reason I settled on the 6 inch coil and hunt with it was due to the fact the large minelab coils threw the machine way out of balance. ....there is a coil made by cors I think that has the ability to change frequencies with a 9 volt battery now. I saw it on eBay the other day and I am sure it only weighs 1/2 of what the minelab 10.5 inch Xterra coils weigh. 

I still am tempted to get another Xterra but If I wait long enough they may be marked down like crazy since minelab had stopped production of them. Will wait and see.

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17 minutes ago, phrunt said:

It displays how little the market for those machines is in comparison to the gold machines yet none of the competition are really players in the gold market, mostly just with VLF's too which aren't where the money is and if Minelab feels threatened in the VLF prospecting machine market it really would not be hard for them to pop out a new better one quite easily.

Starting off with the PI's what ML's competition has done for the most part (White's and QED) is to make them lightweight and affordable.  Apparently in terms of depth/sensitivity they haven't made it there (yet, in the case of QED)?  Garrett's ATX was affordable but even heavier than the ML's.  AFAIK the GPZ7000 has no competition (in its class, that is).

Steve H. has repeatedly (and maybe he'll correct me) said that you are splitting hairs in terms of gold detecting performance comparing/contrasting the following: 

a) Nokta/Makro Gold Racer and Gold Kruzer,

b) Fisher Gold Bug 2,

c) White's Gold Master (GM) 24k and GMX (maybe even the GMT),

d) Minelab Gold Monster (GM) 1000 and Equinox 800 (maybe even the Eqx 600).

And there might be a couple others (e.g. XP Orx) that have or should get consideration.

The bully gets enough credit already.  IMO we don't need to put them on a higher pedestal than they've already built for themselves.

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Hey Phrunt, I saw a show last night about New Zealand. I was totally shocked at how much it is like the USA actually as far as terrain goes. 

 

Also the gold fields and  terrain are very similar to the how it is out west here in the states.  There was an area that looked a lot like Scotland too. 

It was very interesting I must say. 

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The QED could make it's way to being serious competition if it was a global seller being built in a factory production style using injection molded parts and being mass produced, not hand made, it's a local market seller in Australia really and it struggles a bit with the Minelab culture and user base so it's not competition yet when you see where most gold detectors are sold in other countries.  It has the light weight benefits down pat and it's performance is good enough, it could do with wireless audio built in and other things that are making their way into detectors.

The Garrett ATX just didn't have a hope against the GPX in the market with the hundreds of coils available for the GPX and it's unnecessary housing and the coils available for it.  If they rebuilt it into a normal lighter housing and made it use GPX coils and lowered the price it'd go somewhat to being GPX competition.  To compete these detectors don't need to almost be as good as their Minelab competitors, they need to be better and ergonomics is a key area where they can easily be better.  The underdog doesn't win by being nearly as good, it has to be better.  The ATX was never going to make it in Australia with the price of it being higher or similar to a GPX.

The VLF detectors aren't where Minelab are making their gold detector big money, it's the PI's and GPZ.  We all know the differences in actual performance of the top end higher frequency VLF's is so similar it really doesn't matter, with them it comes down to features you like and for some the brand name of the detector.  So many people seem to think the VLFs' are more of a toy, especially in highly mineralised gold detecting areas.  Even Minelab themselves indicate the same.

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GM = Entry Level, SDC / GPX = Mid Range, GPZ = Professional.

Personally I wouldn't word it that way if I were Minelab as their Entry level detector excels over their Professional detector in the right situation but walking around covering ground in the African gold fields you're not going to be wanting to use a 5" coil or a 10x5" coil like the GM has 🙂

Fisher with the Impulse Gold could possibly be what the market needs to bring some competition to the market, it's going to need custom coils for it so they need to have a range available upon it's release to give it the best chance of getting attention.  Price and ergonomics so far are looking good.

Realistically at the moment in a global market they have no competition for mid to high end gold machines from what I can see.

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3 hours ago, phrunt said:

Realistically at the moment in a global market they have no competition for mid to high end gold machines from what I can see.

If Africa really is the main market (overall, in terms of $) then ML probably has to screw up pretty badly to lose their position.  Apparently the best/only advertising there is word-of-mouth which boils down to reputation.  Once you've got the reputation it's difficult to be overtaken.

Fisher is going after the water hunters.  Garrett seems satisfied to just be going after their loyal customers....  Nokta/Makro continues to chip away at the IB/VLF market which has done pretty well for them so far.  Hopefully they have more (e.g. multifrequency and PI) to continue to gain ground.  Does anyone know what XP is doing?  There's always the possibility something comes out of East Asia, but lately they've tended to follow the lead of others (ethically or otherwise), just making the existing technology cheaper.

We may not see much positive change in the near future, at least that has a significant worldwide impact.  I guess there are worse things for the field.

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