Jeff McClendon

The iron filter saga is complicated. I'll just say we are lucky that it's adjustable. The default setting is for total Legend beginners or for total newbies to detecting hunting for 6" deep or less targets who don't want to dig any iron. Couple that high default 8 setting with all iron targets rejected and you get the picture. Even running the G discrimination pattern will put a damper on deeper, fringe of detection targets. That default 8 setting or anything much above 2 will simply make deeper, very challenged non ferrous coin sized targets detect like iron targets or just be completely masked in iron mineralization. I guess they were taking their cue from the Equinox 600/800 which has a default iron bias setting of 2/6 in its Beach modes and even has a default iron bias setting of 6 on the 800 in both Gold modes........totally ridiculous.

WS5 works with Deus 1. They don’t work with Deus 2 WSAll-XL works with Deus 2. They don’t work with Deus 1.

Gigmaster owned 5 Equinox 800s. All were used in saltwater and all 5 leaked. He tried Deus 2 for a while. Now he exclusively uses his Legends. No leaks and no other significant issues.

According to TNSS it already existed in previous software versions.

I literally don't even try to use ATHC since I can only run it at about 14 sensitivity before it goes nuts. I can run ATGeneral between 20 and 24 sensitivity with no major issues even on badly mineralized ground and still get great depth and fairly solid target IDs. Prospecting mode I can run between sensitivity 18 and 20. I have never used my Manticore at a saltwater beach or in saltwater so I have no clue how any of this applies to Skull diver.

I’m originally from Georgia and I have trouble understanding the video maker too. Same thing happens when some people make my name…Jeff….have 4 or more syllables. When I visit some of my relatives I don’t realize they are talking to me sometimes. Anyway, moral of the story using V2.0 software is, don’t run the Relic Program with disc IAR on 5, then switch to Sensitive FT and change silencer to 1 and then switch back to the same Relic program. The bug may also involve using Goldfield and other programs alternately with a similar configuration. I have never used disc IAR set on 5 in real life using the Relic or Goldfield programs. A setting of 1 is plenty for me. Hope that helps. I know this link is not about metal detecting but listening to some of my relatives and not knowing what the hell they just said reminds me of this:

I have found the Iron Filter setting to be very effective if I don't run it above 4 in some cases. If I am trying to avoid shallow to mid depth iron and steel trash while searching for coin sized objects at the same depth it works well. If I am trying to hit anything at fringe depths or with a smaller, poorly oriented or partially masked profile that has a good chance of its ID being skewed towards ferrous just because of depth, I am running 0 or 1 at the most. If I am deliberately doing a maximum depth test/comparison in sand or dirt with even low amounts of magnetite dirt/sand, iron filter is on 0. If I run IF any higher, I will just hear faint iron or nothing depending on ground balance. So, IF doesn't directly mess with depth. However, if a deeper target is being somewhat masked by magnetite it could be totally masked if Iron Filter is set too high.

Yep I assumed it would either be a boosted mid frequency weighted mode or a lower weighted “Cache” mode which is now more likely. Putting it in Goldfield makes no sense on the surface since they appear to be polar opposites but the explanation from Dilek also makes sense.

Same here. How awkward does setting up Beast mode have to be.... If I used it as it stands right now, I would have it in a User Profile already setup for emergencies so I wouldn't have to stop everything and spend 5 minutes making sure I had it setup right. I can't tell what its weighting is either. All I have seen so far is that it doesn't really hit sub gram targets at depth at all. Goldfield M had no trouble with clear two way hits on the same US Seated Half Dime and a 0.5 gram Burundian gold coil at about 8" depth. Basically next to nothing on those targets using Beast Mode properly setup. I was hitting US dimes and nickels easily at 7 to 8" depth with Beast Mode but not as hard as Goldfield M and Gold Field M had very accurate target IDs. Beast Mode was way off on the low conductive nickels I tested and was pretty close on higher conductive coins. Sensitivity was on 21.

At least for me, Beast Mode is a beast to setup for high mineralization. There are a truckload of hidden menu button pushes to take care of....... Deep Target is totally awesome. What a great, easy to use and very effective feature.

Knowing your preferences, I assume that you were using the A discrimination pattern right? Just for me (I tend to agree with you about the Legend not being as deep as the 900 and Manticore BTW) what depth was the ring and what size and karat value? I still think IF 5 is way too high for an iron mineralized beach with lots of black sand. I would be running IF at 1 or 0. Running IF 5 is just going to mask deep targets in the iron sand especially since the Legend tends to shift deeper non ferrous targets into the ferrous range anyway even on mild beaches. Same with Bottle Cap 1. As far as Manticore, it has taken me and Abenson almost 6 months to get a handle on that detector. I know you are a brilliant guy and I am not, but I doubt you can do it in 1 hour.

The stock lower rods on all Legends are carbon fiber. They make a tall man carbon fiber lower shaft. Yours must have been altered if it doesn’t have a CF lower shaft. Did you adjust the iron filter settings to a lower value than default 8? Same for bottle cap reject. Gigmaster’s beaches have very mild black sand levels. I think he uses IF 5 and Bottle Cap 1. That may be too much iron bias for your beach. Same with recovery speed 1. You may have to raise it a bit to work better on a highly iron mineralized beach

Thanks for posting about the release of V1.14 Beta. Some very interesting added features besides just Beast Mode. Could give a really good detector even more performance improvements!!! Look forward to loading it and testing it. I still can't believe how good the Legend is even head to head with detectors like the Manticore and Deus 2. I have two Legends for backups, water detecting and for friends and family to use. I think I paid less for both of them than what a new Equinox 800 costs today. Thanks Nokta!!!!

You didn’t hijack anything. I just posted the air test results of those three pinpointers like a public service. Do whatever you want with it. Since the F-Pulse and Tek Point are both pulse induction pinpointers, they get really unstable around large iron/steel things like refrigerators, EMI sources like power lines and cell phones and they sound off on highly mineralized dirt too. They drive me nuts sometimes but nothing I’ve used comes close to those two when I need the ultimate depth. I haven’t owned the Accupoint enough to experience it going nuts but I also wouldn’t try to run a detector at 20 kHz while trying to use the 20 kHz Accupoint and expect it to behave.

I got my brand new F19 that I bought off of FTP's EBay USA listings. It was definitely brand new, works great and actually had an 03 24 08 serial number so instead of being "old stock" this one appears to have been produced last month. I really wasn't expecting that.

The customer service reps at Garrett are not the problem so I wouldn't go off on them. The Garrett.com website information and the Garrett staff that oversea and perform product fulfillment and shipping literally are not on the same page according to what DSmith is recently experiencing. I hope it gets sorted out for you.

Since the Algoforce is unobtanium here in the US, I am not going to drool over it until I can buy one. I have been down that "just can't wait" road before especially with some recent SMFs and PIs. Their pre ownership reputation and what I actually experienced were two very different things. Some of that seems to be related to their operation in different USA ground and EMI conditions. So, Algoforce is on the back burner for me at the moment.

Thanks for posting this video Simon

Swinging a detector is one thing…..maybe you’ll be okay for that. Recovering targets???

Gently used Garrett Propointer AT for sale. It works great, comes with a good battery, light and speaker work and looks good inside. It had a little rattle so I checked for something loose inside. Didn't find anything so there must be a tiny piece of gravel in the exterior housing for the waterproof speaker. Comes with holster, manual and original box. $70 shipped to the lower 48. Paypal F&F preferred. thanks for looking, Jeff

That depends on what I'm hunting. When I need to hit deeper coin sized targets I use the F-Pulse. When I'm gold prospecting I usually have the Garrett Carrot with me. Now after seeing what the Accupoint can do on smaller gold, I may keep it instead and sell my Carrot.

I did a quick air test with the Nokta Accupoint, Garrett Carrot and FTP F-Pulse using a 0.15 gram flat gold nugget, US clad dime, US clad quarter and US nickel. Results: Nokta Accupoint max sensitivity 0.15 gram flat gold nugget---3/16th inches US dime---1 3/4 inches US quarter---2 inches US nickel---2 3/8 inches Garrett Carrot max sensitivity 0.15 gram flat gold nugget---1/32nd inches US dime---2 1/8 inches US quarter---2 3/8 inches US nickel---2 5/8 inches Fisher First Texas Products F-Pulse max sensitivity 0.15 gram flat gold nugget---no response US dime---3 3/4 inches US quarter---3 7/8 inches US nickel---4 1/8 inches

Yes I owned a Pulse Dive for a while and no it did not out perform the F-Pulse on coins where I hunt, not even remotely close. So for the OP's original question, right now I can't recommend the Accupoint as a pinpointer with an internal rechargeable battery if you have digging restrictions like I do in my area. I would go with XP's Mi-4 or Mi-6. I haven't used Quest's top of the line pinpointer and I don't know if it has internal rechargeable battery operation of user replaceable batteries.

I wrote some very nice things about the Accupoint above. Now I will give you another opinion. I mostly use handheld pinpointers for helping me find deeper coin sized targets in iron mineralized dirt that I also have to dig with a screwdriver or probe due to digging restrictions. So I can't dig a 12" by 6 to 8" deep plug with a shovel and then search in the plug or hole with a handheld pinpointer for what seemed to be a 6 to 8" deep target. That scenario only requires a pinpointer to have a depth range of 2" or even less. Instead I have to use the coin popping method: cut a slit in the turf, fold the two sides back out of the way and start pinpointing for the target. If the target is 6 to 8" deep or more I need a pinpointer with 3 to 4" of range in order to reassure me that I am over the target. I tried this out with the Accupoint today at a local park on US coin targets that I knew were 4 to 6" deep by their audio response and their depth reading on Deus 2's horseshoe profile. Yes they were 4 to 6" deep US coins when recovered. Unfortunately, the Accupoint did not hit those targets until it was basically right on top of them as in about 1.5" away or less running sensitivity 7. Changing to sensitivity 9 did not help. Also, these were non-ferrous targets. I was using the Accupoint in 2 tones with ferrous target responses accepted. So the four US coins and one 5" deep aluminum pull tab should have had non-ferrous responses. Instead, they started out with ferrous responses and only became non-ferrous about 0.5" from the targets. So for this type of hunting and target recovery, the Accupoint is basically useless to me. A Garrett Carrot will also hit targets like this at about 2" depth so again basically useless. XPs Mi-6 paired to an XP compatible detector which opens up the possibility of a lot more settings slightly outperformed the Garrett Carrot and could hit coin sized targets about 2.5" deep. The pulse induction Fisher F-Pulse and Teknetics Tek-Point will hit these targets at 4" depth. Sure, the F-Pulse/Tek-Points are hyper sensitive and sound off on mineralization, EMI and detector crosstalk which can be super annoying, but their depth is ridiculous even in high mineralization. Mine will hit 4" deep coin sized targets from the surface and that really helps me with coin popping type target recovery. I could barely get the Accupoint to hit 1" deep pull tabs today. If the F-Pulse and Tek-Point were more sensitive to small targets where the Accupoint really excels I would not have bothered to invest in an Accupoint. I need to get to a gold prospecting location and try the Accupoint there on sub 0.25 gold and on the many iron/tin targets in the location nearest to me and see how it handles that kind of situation where depth is not an issue and where sensitivity to really small targets due to the Accupoint's 20 kHz operating frequency should be useful since I don't have any digging method restrictions there. After doing plenty of testing and seeing unbiased reviews showing a maximum 2" sensitivity on a US silver dime, I believe my Accupoint is working normally. Hopefully Nokta can boost the sensitivity another inch sometime in the future with a software update.

I really liked my XP Mi-6 as a standalone, unpaired pinpointer. I did not care for all of the episodes of incomplete or very delayed pairing and unpairing with it and my XP detectors including Deus 2. I recently purchased the Nokta Accupoint. I have not even had a chance to use it paired up with my Legends. I have used it as an unpaired, standalone pinpointer with Legend, Deus 2 and Manticore. So far, it has been outstanding. I have just been using the default 7 of 9 sensitivity setting and two tone ferrous/non ferrous setting. It has not disappointed one bit. I have also done direct comparisons with the Accupoint at 7 of 9 sensitivity, Garrett Carrot at max sensitivity and a Fisher F Pulse at max sensitivity. The Accupoint running at 20 kHz is by far the most sensitive to sub 0.15 gram gold nuggets and micro jewelry which does not have to be touching the Accupoint for it to give a clear non ferrous response even at 0.5 inches from the tip or sides. The Garrett Carrot will respond to these small gold targets but only when they are touching it on the sides near the tip. F-Pulse also has no response at the tip and a weak response on the sides near the tip. Very impressive results from the Accupoint for gold prospecting and add in the ferrous/non ferrous target tone identification and wow. Once again, Nokta have delivered with a product that does exactly what they claimed it would do similar to the Legend.