Jeff McClendon

Fantastic test write up and photos Alain! Thank you very much for all of your work. I will need to read this topic several times before I can take it all in. It is so interesting how each person has likes and dislikes. On Deus 1 my favorite and most productive modes are Pitch and Gold Field where I can hear every target in the ground and I learn a little about which targets to avoid. Disc IAR actually works fairly well even on a low setting for just slightly causing iron targets that are in range to have broken up tones. Did you really like the Square audio? Also, did you have a chance to do any testing with just the WS6 used as “Master” and how is the WS6 user interface? Do you still think just buying the WS6 Deus 2 Lite is a good option for mostly tone hunters? I realize you had limited time for your testing and may not have had a chance to consider just the WS6 by itself. thanks

You asked for a standardized VDI chart for the Simplex and are comparing the lack of one to the Equinox. The Equinox in multi has very dependable and consistent target IDs in most soil conditions on US coins at different depths depending on mineralization. I have hunted in many types of ground mineralization and those VDIs have been very reliable in most places down to site specific edge of detection depth. Target ID accuracy using the Equinox single frequencies are very inconsistent and all over the map depending again on depth and mineralization levels The Simplex being a single frequency detector has accurate target IDs if ground conditions are favorable down to depths which again are ground mineralization dependent. At a certain depth, which is different for different locations, the Simplex target IDs can be up averaged or dragged down into the iron range very quickly and like the Equinox in single frequency, are very inaccurate. So, comparing the Equinox using Multi IQ and the Simplex using 12 kHz as far as dependable target IDs is definitely apples to oranges in my opinion and the reliability of VDI charts for both detectors is also very different.

This is Paystreak’s “corrected” Legend detecting gold chains video. Jeremy is a stand up guy who doesn’t mind apologizing and showing how careful one needs to be when videoing the process of learning a new detector

Deus 2 being a new product……we all have a lot to learn about it once we get one or are just wanting to learn about it.

Deus 2 fails at quarters. actually the detector operator failed at quarters. had you lowered the discrimination to -6.4 all of your “nothing” responses would have been “reading as iron” or 00 which is accurate for many detectors when detecting high conductor coin spills and coin rolls that wrap around into that no target ID area on Deus 2 between 99 and 0…..

I would never even consider doing 4 foot repetitive drop tests on concrete using an Equinox or Deus like the ones Jeremy did to his Legend along with throwing it several times and kicking it. Amazing.

Why does it have to perform equal to Deus 1 in iron??? For me, if it can eventually detect as well and accurately as an Equinox while having better build quality and waterproofing, that is enough for me to consider it as a viable option. It is not specifically a competitor of Deus.

Production model Legend without iron bias update, tested for durability and depth by Paystreak Superfreak.

Production model Legend with preset fixed iron bias (not updated) recovery speed and ferrous/non ferrous masking video tests from the UK by a very experienced detector tester and user.

Adjustable iron bias will help the Legend when that update is completed. Put the Equinox on F2=6 and it will also really struggle with that test.

At least for my ears, the Gray Ghost's were muffled, not particularly comfortable and very overpriced. I have the Quest headphones and they are outstanding. I have not tried the Detector DooDads version, but that company has a good reputation. If Quest is able to continue making their excellent Deus/ORX/Deus 2 over the ear headphones, they will sell well. I really enjoy using the Clip Jack Adaptor which works with any 1/8" headphone jack or adpator plug. Remaining untethered to the Deus is fantastic. So is being able to use a wide variety of wired headphones/earbuds. I can stand the supplied back phones for about and hour when wearing sunglasses or glasses. I have used those things for 5 years, sanded down the rough edges over the ears, put soft foam tape on them, bent them to fit my pumpkin head, you name it.......nothing helps.

I had to stop watching mudwhale’s video to take a phone call and haven’t finished it. Sorry

On which detector? Deus 2 56 to 64 depending on depth Equinox similar to a US nickel 11 to 14 depending on depth

One possible way is to use the biggest Double D coil available and hunt in Cancel using the Coin/Relic mode. If soil iron mineralization is too high Normal might work along with lowering Gain a bit. I would wait for more suggestions from more experienced GPX 5000 relic hunters on this site.

Greek to English translation: Kostas 13 said "Hello, do you think that there is a way for the minelab gpx 5000 not to detect small targets by locating only the big ones, would it be possible to build a big coil that would do the job? I think it would be very useful for hunters looking for deep large objects in places where there is small surface debris ...."

VDI scales are only accurate for very shallow coins or for air tests with the coin about an 1" or more from the coil especially using DD coils. Swing speed, getting the coil centered over the target, soil moisture levels, depth and mineralization levels can really skew single frequency detector VDI numbers on detectors like the Simplex, Kruzer, Deus 1, F75 etc. The best way to find out what VDI numbers are is to do it yourself........

I only saw 2 different scoring systems in the last two responses.....maybe I missed something. 16/16 is 8/8. 15/16 is 7.5/8. Some people like to deal with hole numbers some like to deal with fractions. It is still the same scoring.

I have checked Red Dirt Treasure's current Facebook page very carefully which includes a hunt schedule that is laid out differently. No mention of an FTP multi frequency detector that I can see.

Maybe this mysterious F44 "Boost" feature is for the mythical new FTP coil...........

XP are producing a specific dive shaft with no metal that is all plastic. I assume that shaft will be part of the Deus 2 Lite shaft that is already all plastic but without the upper aluminum shaft. Hopefully there will also be no steel pins in the cam locks or they will be far enough away from the coil to prevent falsing. The coil antenna wire will run inside the shaft and come out behind the RC. So will this eventually come as a Deus 2 Full diving package with the diving shaft and bone conductive headphones. What will that cost? Or will bone conductive headphones and the special telescopic diving shaft be an accessory?

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Some detector companies work out their issues in the background and we never know if something will be done about it or not. Sometimes there is an update a year or more later. Nokta Makro for their own reasons works their issues out right in front of us, the end user, and even lets us chime in. Even though it can get a little spicy sometimes, I for one, really appreciate their willingness to almost instantaneously listen to us and do something about our concerns.

I am the same as Andy......Nox 800 recovery speed 4 or 5 for coin, jewelry and relics.....maybe 6 for small gold nugget prospecting with iron bias set on 0 most of the time or occasionally up to 4, never higher than that. I still say the Legend is a good enough detector to have adjustable iron bias settings. For newbies or new to the Legend.....just leave it on the factory default. For anyone that needs to set it up for more advanced/extreme conditions, now they have the option to do that which is great. I know this is a Nokta Makro topic but the Equinox is in the videos. Also, could everyone just settle down and enjoy the release of a new detector=Legend. I have seen, heard and received enough fallout and bad manners from the other recent detector release. At least on this forum, lets keep it respectful, low key and without anymore drama....Please. The Legend will be in the hands of more testers and end users very soon. Lets see what they have to say instead of getting all wound up about a detector we have never touched.

When I said above: SMFs that are as fast at recovery speed as the Legend need some kind of iron bias, I did not phrase that well. Here is a different way of phrasing it. When an SMF is capable of the recovery speed and target separation that the Legend appears to have, giving it user adjustable iron bias settings will make it an even better detector for a wider variety of target and ground scenarios. Not giving it user adjustable iron bias settings and keeping it arbitrarily fixed would limit the variety of targets and ground scenarios that it would be able to handle well.

Absolutely no comment from me........