Something Coming! Any Guesses?

[Chase Goldman]

 

 

29 minutes ago, HotSauce said:

Not going to guess, its just not fun and most of the time its 99.9% inaccurate.

 

Yeah not everyone enjoys speculating I suppose, but I'm weird that way because that's what I think is one of the thing that is fun about forums, speculating on what might be and the anticipation of that.  I don't care if I'm wrong or inaccurate.  It doesn't cost anything, stimulates discussion, and perhaps sends a message to the manufacturers on what hard core detectorists want in a detector.  To that point...

 

40 minutes ago, Melano87 said:

The Sovereign is not perfect, heavy, its recovery speed is long, poor reactivity. My Sovereign is mounted on the excellent Deus shaft.

I like to use multiple detector that changes.

Each detector has one or more strong points, the Deus is its reactivity, shaft, weight, wireless etc…

But I find it below in discrimination/notch than Minelab detectors.

 

Great points, Melano, and that makes a great thread segue into what else people might want XP to include as features anticipating that it will be a MF detector - 

• I personally would like to see XP retain the Deus fully wireless ecosystem but provide a more elegant way to shift into a water friendly mode.  I like having the coil be wireless from the control box for most situations because it enables quick coil switching and allows you to place the control box where you think it is most convenient like on a vest or to tuck it away and just use the phones.
• I would like it to retain the multiple single frequency feature.
• I am hoping that MF improves Deus salt beach performance and Target ID at depth in mineralized soil.  If XP can make it competitive with Tarsacci in this regard, then we might actually have something to sit up and take notice.  Use of MF for better ferrous target filtering (along the lines of ML's Equinox iron bias feature) would also be good.
• It would be great if XP would allow the user, as an advanced feature, to continuously or discretely adjust the MF frequency weighting in some manner and to enable adjustments in signal processing to be SEPARATE from frequency weighting adjustments (e.g., on Equinox adjustments in signal processing and weighting are adjusted together by shifting the search profiles/modes - Park/Field/Beach/Gold)
• XP made some great tweaks to the user interface with Orx (pop up Target ID and iron probability bar) and I would like to see those migrate to the new detector as options if it is going to use a similar interface but also retain the Deus ability to cycle back and forth between the modes using the +/- buttons (which was not something the ORX was able to do). 
• I like how Orx utilized the pinpoint button as a ground grab button for quick "auto" GB adjustment.  I think the XP implementation of pinpoint mode on Deus and Orx is cumbersome. A dedicated pinpoint trigger or toggle membrane would be more convenient rather than having to switch between buttons to get in and out of pinpoint mode.  XP should separate the non-motion mode switching menu from pinpoint mode.
• XP needs to ditch their cumbersome and fragile coil charging clips in favor of something more robust and convenient.  Also, they need to update to USB C and the industry standard Power Delivery spec for charging their accessories.
• Target Auto scoop and plug digging/finds pouch placing would also be welcome. 

Anyway, those are some of my thoughts in what I am looking for in the next XP detector.  Would like to hear what other people are looking for.

[Tahts-a-dats-ago]

3 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

 

 

 

Yeah not everyone enjoys speculating I suppose, but I'm weird that way because that's what I think is one of the thing that is fun about forums, speculating on what might be and the anticipation of that.  I don't care if I'm wrong or inaccurate.  It doesn't cost anything, stimulates discussion, and perhaps sends a message to the manufacturers on what hard core detectorists want in a detector.  To that point...

 

Great points, Melano, and that makes a great thread segue into what else people might want XP to include as features anticipating that it will be a MF detector - 

• I personally would like to see XP retain the Deus fully wireless ecosystem but provide a more elegant way to shift into a water friendly mode.  I like having the coil be wireless from the control box for most situations because it enables quick coil switching and allows you to place the control box where you think it is most convenient like on a vest or to tuck it away and just use the phones.
• I would like it to retain the multiple single frequency feature.
• I am hoping that MF improves Deus salt beach performance and Target ID at depth in mineralized soil.  If XP can make it competitive with Tarsacci in this regard, then we might actually have something to sit up and take notice.  Use of MF for better ferrous target filtering (along the lines of ML's Equinox iron bias feature) would also be good.
• It would be great if XP would allow the user, as an advanced feature, to continuously or discretely adjust the MF frequency weighting in some manner and to enable adjustments in signal processing to be SEPARATE from frequency weighting adjustments (e.g., on Equinox adjustments in signal processing and weighting are adjusted together by shifting the search profiles/modes - Park/Field/Beach/Gold)
• XP made some great tweaks to the user interface with Orx (pop up Target ID and iron probability bar) and I would like to see those migrate to the new detector as options if it is going to use a similar interface but also retain the Deus ability to cycle back and forth between the modes using the +/- buttons (which was not something the ORX was able to do). 
• I like how Orx utilized the pinpoint button as a ground grab button for quick "auto" GB adjustment.  I think the XP implementation of pinpoint mode on Deus and Orx is cumbersome. A dedicated pinpoint trigger or toggle membrane would be more convenient rather than having to switch between buttons to get in and out of pinpoint mode.  XP should separate the non-motion mode switching menu from pinpoint mode.
• XP needs to ditch their cumbersome and fragile coil charging clips in favor of something more robust and convenient.  Also, they need to update to USB C and the industry standard Power Delivery spec for charging their accessories.
• Target Auto scoop and plug digging/finds pouch placing would also be welcome. 

Anyway, those are some of my thoughts in what I am looking for in the next XP detector.  Would like to hear what other people are looking for.

I'd like to see all of the suggestions made by Chase.

While the odds are that the new offering won't be a simple matter of a new MF coil and an update for the current remote, that would be my preference. From the consumer's standpoint, that would be the most financially prudent option.

If XP is putting out an entirely new machine, I'd like to see the new remote be a bit larger and easier to read (without reading glasses). I'd love a color screen (to this date I still think the V3i screen is the best on the market).

I'd like to see the option to normalize VDI numbers at a frequency of the user's choice - mostly so the user could select a choice that allows for a larger spread (of the numbers) at the upper end of the scale.

I'd like to see an option similar to the analyze function found in the V3i pinpoint mode - where the strength of each frequency (for the target) is shown.

I'd like the new machine to be compatible with the W4 backphones, and the MI6 pinpointer.

I'd like the new machine to be compatible with the current coils.

I'd like the new remote to be very water/dust resistant (capable of withstanding heavy rain).

[palzynski]

From my standpoint I consider the Deus as an almost perfect detector for I am doing ( coin hunting in plowed fields/ often high iron trash / mild soil / European conditions ) and I am not the only one , at least over here ... I dont need advanced features as the targets I am looking for are mostly at the ground surface ,  I just need a very reactive and accurate on targets machine , with an excellent iron filtering , just like a Tesoro, and the Deus already does the job ...?  

The only thing I dont like on the Deus is the charging system . Actually I am curious to see how/if XP can still improve the Deus performances for this kind of hunting with this new SMF machine ...  Perhaps they simply will not ..

It is an other story with beach hunting ,  the new XP SMF detector will open a new market share for them , adding the beach to the inland areas ... 

 

[Nuke em]

On 10/15/2021 at 8:38 AM, palzynski said:

From my infos ( local French dealers ) , XP will release a new SMF VLF detector by the end of the year. 

Thats what i have heard a few months ago. 

[Chase Goldman]

1 hour ago, palzynski said:

From my standpoint I consider the Deus as an almost perfect detector for I am doing ( coin hunting in plowed fields/ often high iron trash / mild soil / European conditions ) and I am not the only one , at least over here ... I dont need advanced features as the targets I am looking for are mostly at the ground surface ,  I just need a very reactive and accurate on targets machine , with an excellent iron filtering , just like a Tesoro, and the Deus already does the job ...?  

The only thing I dont like on the Deus is the charging system . Actually I am curious to see how/if XP can still improve the Deus performances for this kind of hunting with this new SMF machine ...  Perhaps they simply will not ..

It is an other story with beach hunting ,  the new XP SMF detector will open a new market share for them , adding the beach to the inland areas ... 

 

Seems to me that being so conscious of counting every gram of weight you would want an XP light weight SMF to replace your heavier Apex and Vanquish detectors with similar capabilities, no?

[Melano87]

I don’t think them to release a machine to compete with Vanquish, Apex etc

I also don’t see them release a detector under 1000 € like the Equinox so they remain in the price range of the CTx3030 to compete (~1500€).

If their SMF does not do as well as a CTx3030 + Equinox in terms of performance, it will be hard ...

Even if they have the advantage of wireless and weight.

I'm really looking forward to testing this detector.

 

[brys]

deus is perfect on weight i woud not go back to a heavy machine or a non wifi machine ,i do need better depth and more acurate IDs which the deus is not good at,,

deus gives a good signal on stainless steel

[☠ Cipher]

I would hope it’s a multifrequency rig. I have a hard time imagining them replacing the remote, but I hope they do, and with a color screen. I’ve always thought that any multifrequency machine that doesn’t incorporate color graphics in a manner similar to V3i and/or CTX is a missed opportunity to get the most out of it. Could you imagine adding the speed XP is known for to the way V3i utilizes color coded frequencies in pinpoint. Many never realized its potential to signal where one overlapping target ends and another begins along with their composition. I’m also a fan of my CTXs Target Trace. That’s what I’m hoping for anyway and if it is what I hope I might just return to XP. I had planned to buy another Deus or an ORX, but now I’ll wait and see.

[Rob in (ca)]

Hopefully The New Deus is got A Better VDI Number Scale