Manticore Goldfields Mode Discussion

[phrunt]

I was thinking something similar, how could Tom D possibly make gold modes work in multi on the Nox, he uses the detector and gives feedback but I doubt he's there modifying the code to make it work better, I think the credit really goes to the engineers that did it.  There is a big difference between giving feedback and actually writing the code and producing the hardware.  All he could really do is provide feedback and influence the engineers to make the decisions to put more time and effort into making the gold modes work better in multi to make it viable to include multi in the gold modes I think.

[EL NINO77]

I think Tom D .... had a big influence on the inclusion of a changeable Iron Bias setting as one of the Equinox's features...,,

But his field tests reflect the work of the detector in low-mineralized terrain, where the detector on the low recovery speed setting achieves excellent deep results... sometimes almost at the limit of the detector's technical capabilities.

  I like his comparative separation tests in the field...?

Yes, the terrain of higher and high mineralization .. is a different world... and there a completely different detector setting will work optimally... and the practical depth will also be much smaller..

Manticore... from a direct comparison on the test field and in the field right away... from several modern detectors, it appears that this detector has great sensitivity for small targets.. such as 1/24 stater..,, and also excellent separation and depth of detection. ., for various targets placed deep on the test field "and disguised by iron from the side...

Test on the golden chain..where Manticore was able to detect the chain from even at a 90 degree angle...it also showed the high sensitivity of Manticore to small targets..definitely beyond the possibilities of Equinox and Deus 2..

[strick]

On 9/25/2022 at 3:01 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

The only reason I’m playing hard to get with Manticore is I am well invested in Nox custom rods and coils, and VLF usage is quite minimal for me anyway. 

Steve- I’m all in on this one like a drunken sailor in a brothel I can’t wait to get my hands on one lol. I’ve been waiting for a faster ctx for a long time ...anything that will help me disc out bottle caps..:)

strick 

[afreakofnature]

I wonder where on the target id and trace graphite will be.  On the Nox for me its a solid 1, same place little nuggets show.  Very frustrating.

Sometimes on the Nox nugs will bounce from 1-2 and into the negatives.  Unfortunately so do some hot rocks.  I am also hoping this will be fixed.

[Cal_Cobra]

On 9/26/2022 at 2:59 PM, Steve Herschbach said:

I remember events going down differently than Tom does as regards that subject. He generally seems to forget he is just one small cog in a very large machine, and about the last person Minelab is going to consult with as regards gold nugget prospecting modes. Sure, he noted that Multi was stronger on gold than single frequency, but he sure was not the only one saying that, as he seems to assume.

I also disagree with Tom's comments on the Equinox default modes, which are based on his use in low mineral ground, whereas the defaults are set for Australian and western U.S. conditions. It’s a fairly nice swipe at Nox users that nobody has been able to figure it out yet without his help…. but oh gosh because of that he is now going to help us poor rubes with Manticore.

Unfortunately, Toms settings and depth commentary have always been at complete odds with my experiences in the west, with my depths running 2/3 to half what he gets. There are similar disconnects in his various observations about detectors over the years that don’t jive with my results, so frankly, I don’t think his commentary is extremely useful, unless you are a Florida beach hunter. Just my opinion though. Some people almost worship the guy as some kind of everywhere, all the time, detector guru, so maybe I’m missing something about it all. Just a kid with a high school degree myself, nowhere near being a NASA engineer.  I defer to beach hunters when it come to beach hunting, relic hunters when it comes to relic hunting, and Aussies when it comes to what detectors do in their ground. Context and ground conditions are everything when it comes to detecting. Now doubt though that Tom is a guru in his ground, on his targets.

Now, DanielTN has posted a lot on Tom’s, and that guy knows what detectors do in bad ground. It’s worth tracking down and reading his older stuff, as he was absent for quite some time, busy with other interests.

Difficult at best for most of us to comment on most of what you've stated as we simply weren't involved in the behind the scenes stuff.

I learned long ago that his inert Florida soil is akin to doing an air test for the most part, and as you stated has no translation into real world usage for those of us in areas with unlike soil conditions.  This was a realization I came to after using the F75 for many years, which is a great detector in the right conditions, but throw in ground mineralization and/or rust flakes which are common in most relic environs out west, and you have one handicapped detector.

Personally I don't think he's trying to mislead anyone.  His heart's in the right place, his detecting experience and passion are almost second to none.  Steve, you and Tom D. hunt very different types of sites for the most part.  When you were sharing your test experiences with the Equinox, I followed you closely because many of the western sites I detect have very similar ground conditions to what you were dealing with, so for me it's a much more apples to apples comparison.  That said, I don't discount what he shares, but after two decades of reading his information, one certainly learns where to draw the line.

His constant passion for moving the ball forward is seemingly focused mainly on EMI mitigation, better iron unmasking and of course increased depth.  I can't fault him for trying to move the ball forward in the detecting world.

[Steve Herschbach]

On 9/27/2022 at 11:17 AM, Cal_Cobra said:

Difficult at best for most of us to comment on most of what you've stated as we simply weren't involved in the behind the scenes stuff.

I learned long ago that his inert Florida soil is akin to doing an air test for the most part, and as you stated has no translation into real world usage for those of us in areas with unlike soil conditions.  This was a realization I came to after using the F75 for many years, which is a great detector in the right conditions, but throw in ground mineralization and/or rust flakes which are common in most relic environs out west, and you have one handicapped detector.

Personally I don't think he's trying to mislead anyone.  His heart's in the right place, his detecting experience and passion are almost second to none.  Steve, you and Tom D. hunt very different types of sites for the most part.  When you were sharing your test experiences with the Equinox, I followed you closely because many of the western sites I detect have very similar ground conditions to what you were dealing with, so for me it's a much more apples to apples comparison.  That said, I don't discount what he shares, but after two decades of reading his information, one certainly learns where to draw the line.

His constant passion for moving the ball forward is seemingly focused mainly on EMI mitigation, better iron unmasking and of course increased depth.  I can't fault him for trying to move the ball forward in the detecting world.

Tom is absolutely a sincere and honest person, with a burning passion for metal detecting. Several of his articles are true classics in the field. I never meant to imply anything else, and if it was taken that way, I apologize. When it comes to quoting depths attained, however, I do wish he would include more caveats as regards his rather exceptional conditions. Almost anyone anywhere will get results that are degraded compared to his.

[scoopjohnb]

Very well said indeed. I bought a D2 and ran it for a year trying to outshine a Nox 800 in my dirt. Simply because Tom stated it was marginally better with regards to depth.

Well that was a slight mistake in hindsight. Allthough the D2 performed adequatly, well I never had a single instance in which it outshined the Nox 800. Not for lack of trying though.

I’m no engineer, detector or aerospace. But boy Minelabs do seem to look at the ground and figure out anything conductive out of the ordinary. Positive or negative with relation to the GB point. Just hunt with the Nox in GB mode and all will become clear.

Xp D2 still seems to adhere to a principle where targets above the GB point are signaled and the rest is either silent or disced out. I don’t know for sure, but that seems to be the problem with regards to depth in any kind of mineralisation. The GB system is slow to respond when you do a grab. When you switch on tracking it’s way too fast and tracks out deep targets. Target ID is second to none. However if your after the deepies or the low conductors. GB needs some more work.

What will the Manty bring to the table. I had a slight taste of it during my 2 hour stint with it. She signalled a steadfast 1 on the ID scale. No ifs and buts. It was there during cross swings. Take out a small bite of the dirt and it was gone into the mineralisation. The Pro-find couldn’t locate it. Probably was smaller than an ant-fart.

My guesstimation is we’re going to like this one ?

[PSPR]

This video popped up as an ad on my Manticore Youtube search.  You gold guys need one of these with a guarantee that it will work.  LOL (Deleted Video)

[GB_Amateur]

2 hours ago, PSPR said:

This video popped up...

"...made in Israel and the US..."  I wonder if Uri Geller is behind this....  ?  (Warning to others who think there's something new/worthwhile in this video.  It's presenting a new LRL.)