XP Deus 2 Nokta Legend Seated Dimes

[Jeff McClendon]

I returned to a site that had yielded an 1886 US V nickel and an 1876 US Seated silver dime about a month ago when I was using the Equinox 900 with 6" coil.

I had Deus 2 with version 1.0 software and 9" coil along with the Nokta Legend with 6" coil.

The area I was hunting is full of magnetite, square nails, tin of all sizes, all sorts of other iron and sheet lead trash and some other junk within a clearly marked roughly 20'X20' hand stacked stone foundation that is level with the surrounding ground.

I was using Deus 2 version 1.0 with a modified Sensitive #2 program set on Pitch tones/Hi Square audio with sensitivity 90, disc at 6.8, silencer 1, no notch, reactivity 2.5, iron volume 7, audio filter 0, bottle cap 0, audio response 3, threshold 4.

I wanted to see if I had missed a lot of non-ferrous targets using the Equinox 900 due to having only one hour to hunt this site with it at the time.

This time I had 4 hours to hunt.

Let me put it this way. That was an extremely unpleasant 2 hours using Deus 2 version 1.0. I struggled to find any non-ferrous targets. I did manage an 1888 S Seated Liberty dime but that was basically by accident. There were so many nails in the area where the Seated dime was recovered that were fooling me, I would have probably missed it. The nails in the photo represent the ones that were in good shape. These were falsing with good non ferrous tones and IDs from the low 70s to high 80s. I left around 40 other nails/tin shards sitting behind a boulder at the site.

 

 

I had some lunch and then gave the Nokta Legend a try. This was the first time I had used the Legend in this area. I hunted the exact same area. The 6" coil let me get into spots that Deus 2 with 9" coil could not reach so I was able to hunt more thoroughly. This site has boulders, sage and aspen saplings all over it. This difference in coil size did not result in any major finds but it could have. XP....please give us a land based small elliptical coil!!!!!

I was using the Field program M2, Pitch tones, disc on G which rejects most ground noise, ferrous/non ferrous tone break 10, sensitivity 23, recovery speed 5, iron filter 1, iron stability 4, bottle cap 0, ground stability 0 using the 6" coil.

To my surprise, falsing was minimal, and distinguishing iron targets versus non ferrous targets was not a problem. So when I found the 1891 Seated dime about 5" away from where I recovered the other Seated dime earlier, I knew exactly what I was about to dig since it had great non-ferrous audio and great ID even though it had plenty of man-made and natural iron surrounding it and it was 4" deep in a clay ball.

The other non-ferrous targets on the plate were also no problem to distinguish from all of the iron and tin trash. I did not get fooled by any smaller iron targets using the Legend. Ferro-Check was spot on and so were the target IDs.

I got home from the hunt and noticed XP had put out update 1.1 to help with the Silencer. Thank God!!!!

[Chase Goldman]

11 minutes ago, Jeff McClendon said:

I returned to a site that had yielded an 1886 US V nickel and an 1876 US Seated silver dime about a month ago when I was using the Equinox 900 with 6" coil.

I had Deus 2 with version 1.0 software and 9" coil along with the Nokta Legend with 6" coil.

The area I was hunting is full of magnetite, square nails, tin of all sizes, all sorts of other iron and sheet lead trash and some other junk within a clearly marked roughly 20'X20' hand stacked stone foundation that is level with the surrounding ground.

I was using Deus 2 version 1.0 with a modified Sensitive #2 program set on Pitch tones/Hi Square audio with sensitivity 90, disc at 6.8, silencer 1, no notch, reactivity 2.5, iron volume 7, audio filter 0, audio response 3, threshold 4. I wanted to see if I had missed a lot of targets using the Equinox 900 due to having only an hour to hunt this site with it at the time.

This time I had 4 hours to hunt.

Let me put it this way. That was an extremely unpleasant hunt 2 hours using Deus 2 version 1.0. I struggled to find any non-ferrous targets. I did manage an 1888 S Seated Liberty dime but I that was basically by accident. There were so many nails in the area where the Seated dime was recovered that were fooling me, I would have probably missed it. The nails in the photo represent the ones that were in good shape. I left around 40 other nails/tin shards sitting behind a boulder at the site.

 

Jeff,

Interesting.  You were using one of the Programs that were severely affected by the low setting (0, 1, 2) aggressive ver 1.0 Silencer glitch that significantly increased ferrous masking even with high recovery speed settings.  So that may have affected your ability to unmask in iron.  Conversely, the aggressive silencer setting should have also knocked down the nail falsing more, too.  It’s a mixed bag, but I suggest torturing yourself using the same setup but with the ver 1.1 update.  Should reduce the masking but you will be subject to the falsing, however, the increase in silencer filter effect (to mitigate falsing) will be more gradual.  Might better be a able to find a sweet spot Silencer setting that does not over mask while knocking down the falsing.  Also, might want to experiment with the new audio filter in this situation.

[Jeff McClendon]

2 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

Jeff,

Interesting.  You were using one of the Programs that were severely affected by the low setting (0, 1, 2) aggressive ver 1.0 Silencer glitch that significantly increased ferrous masking even with high recovery speed settings.  So that may have affected your ability to unmask in iron.  Conversely, the aggressive silencer setting should have also knocked down the nail falsing more, too.  It’s a mixed bag, but I suggest torturing yourself using the same setup but with the ver 1.1 update.  Should reduce the masking but you will be subject to the falsing, however, the increase in silencer filter effect (to mitigate falsing) will be more gradual.  Might better be a able to find a sweet spot Silencer setting that does not over mask while knocking down the falsing.  Also, might want to experiment with the new audio filter in this situation.

Yes.

Silencer 0 was unbearable at that site. Silencer 2 was iron grunt city on everything. Silencer 1 was my only option and it wasn't a good one.

I have hunted near this site with Deus 1 and ORX using Fast and Gold modes. That was a fairly pleasant experience. This was the first time I had used Deus 2 in this area.

[Chase Goldman]

7 minutes ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Yes.

Silencer 0 was unbearable at that site. Silencer 2 was iron grunt city on everything. Silencer 1 was my only option and it wasn't a good one.

I have hunted near this site with Deus 1 and ORX using Fast and Gold modes. That was a fairly pleasant experience. This was the first time I had used Deus 2 in this area.

I understand.  You may have more luck now dialing Silencer in with V 1.1 because it won’t just go from one extreme to the other in the course of a single step adjustment.  Also suggest trying General or Relic because of soil subtraction and perhaps trying Gold Field and seeing what varying Max F does in those modes.

I’m stuck detecting Parks and Beaches here until fall because the cellar holes and farm fields with iron pollution are mostly now overgrown with poison ivy/bug infested or planted with crops.

[Jeff McClendon]

Anyone have an idea about what that tiny spoon shaped relic is in the Deus 2 finds photo?

[Chase Goldman]

25 minutes ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Anyone have an idea about what that tiny spoon shaped relic is in the Deus 2 finds photo?

Blacksmiths used cast iron ladles and spoons for handling molten lead.  Seems small for that, but it's a possibility.

[JCR]

I am curious about the little "spoon" also. Perhaps to handle Mercury?   The suspender clip is very neat. Nice RF cartridge cases too. .44 Henry?

Hopefully V1.1 will get the D2 lined back out. The Legend does very well in the iron. I keep my first Tone break at 7 to help unmask in small ferrous.  Nice hunt.

[CPT_GhostLight]

2 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Anyone have an idea about what that tiny spoon shaped relic is in the Deus 2 finds photo?

Great finds, Jeff, well done! Do yourself a favor and update to 1.1, it's so much better.

They tiny spoon could be a measuring spoon of some kind.

[F350Platinum]

Nice hunt and report Jeff, the spoon may be for pouring lead, but I'd hate to be handling it after a while. 😀

[rod-pa]

Jeff, My guess is a powder measurer for filling cartridges