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Tyler,i am back on a site next sunday that has produced some amazing finds from Bronze Age,roman and saxon,its a reasonably big site so looking for more ground coverage and depth as well and the 10x6 and 6'' coil dont really give me these things,so basically deciding to use either the 11'' coil or possibly the 15x12. As we only have access to this site maybe twice a year then ground coverage is the dictating factor here and also the ssite is also pretty clear from iron etc.

True, Minelab lose "some' of the Russian market with detectors from sanctions as they can just buy from neighbouring countries, it was one of their biggest markets, yet they claw back the sales losses with countermine and communications equipment associated with the war and sales there have exceeded their detector sales anyway by a significant margin. Garrett do countermine too, ATX variant. The only reason they've not gone big into security detectors like the US manufacturers I would guess is they're not common place in Australia, I'd only ever seen them at airports and only international terminals. Garrett and First Texas seem quite well established in security detection, Garrett even make a range of their detectors for law enforcement in the US which look to me to be just the exact same detectors, CSI detectors 🙂 Right from the cheap Ace series. they advertise the Ace 300 as an Ace 300 CSI detector! I've seen them in use on Cops TV shows too, the police using Ace 300's looking for crime scene evidence. They probably make pretty big money off this sort of stuff, I wonder if the CSI versions cost more than the standard ones, even though they're the same.

They could be in a position to hold the filings until details are announced if an essential part is already covered. They have been working on this for a long time.

I'm not really understanding the logic behind the volume at 5 either, crank that volume up, especially when you're a bit hard at hearing. You're off to a great start with it, Mitchel, very well done.

From a practical business standpoint it is almost essential that Garrett’s operations are not limited to hobby detectors. Same for MInelab & Nokta. Even FTP is not strictly hobby detectors. It would be a small, limited choice world for us otherwise & nowhere near as advanced.

Don't know why you would keep the volume at 5. Mine's at 20 for my earbuds and ferrous volume at 8. Nice finds for just learning the machine. You will be able to pass up stakes, caps, and some foil that is not round shaped as you learn their responses. Good job.

When nugget hunters are trying to squeeze every miniscule of power out of their detectors, it makes little sense to run a shaft with carbon fibre. In saying that, I always put up with the Manticores reaction to the shaft thinking it was due to the coil cable and being a very sensitive detector, of course it is partly so, however you can move the coil cable further away from the coil than you can the shaft when you're poking and prodding in rocky bushy areas, now @Gerry in Idaho has pointed out the shaft issue it's so easy to replicate and realize it really is a problem, and for me quite a big one. I think we all need to lobby for Minelab to release a normal plastic shaft for it, and if they don't I hope SteveG, Doc, Detect Ed or any of the aftermarket manufacturers of shafts help us out or even the piece to add onto a plastic shaft to attach to the coil. There are already 3D printer options available of the connector. Although I'm not much of a fan of 3D printed stuff as I've not really had good experience with it in the past on detecting gear, I'd still prefer that than a lower carbon fibre shaft. If I can't find a decent option soon, I'll just buy a 3D printer and print this and use a plastic shaft from another detector to get myself up and running. If the known aftermarket shaft makers don't jump on it, it will be done regardless and they lose the opportunity. Maybe @Doc might look into it too, he makes quality goods, I'd be very happy to buy a Doc aftermarket Manticore shaft.

There's a key point that should be taken carefully... Everytime working with higher than correct sensitivity levels, the 2D panel begins to act erratically...This can be noticed by an increased noise to signals ratio and immediately transformed in a worst discrimination's quality...Even if using the all metal, the line it really is the one factor to take care of...It doesn't matter the trace shape, which can be a perfect round dot or elongated, horizontal flat or thin and spreaded... Listening to a pure non metal signal means however a possible good one but maybe by an irregular shaped object...It happened a crazy find to me yesterday ,with unstable ID but tiny dots around the center line... It was a 14K yellow/white big ring trapped in a rock hole perfectly vertical🫢. In the weekly wrap up I'll post tomorrow it can be seen...6.76g. of 14K...Dang..

My 10 cents worth. If you buy a 2nd hand coil you are pretty much asking for trouble. As Phrunt said it could have been the reason why the previous owner flicked it off. D4G

A bit of a giveaway it's just another detector perhaps.

Big improvement, thanks Steve for what you do and provide for the detecting community!

Garrett has a robust security offering, from wand detectors to walk-through and everything in between. They also have the most universally used pinpointers. The AT-Pro was the start of mainstreaming general detectors as waterproof. Their wireless transmitter / receiver to use on any detector with no detectable latency is unmatched. Garrett's done a lot for the industry in terms of first and best of, so I wouldn't count them out. That being said, I do think Minelabs engineering and on-staff physicists are hard to beat on detector design / signal analysis.

Oh, I should have added that I'll be able to go into some locations where the EMI has been too great for the 800 and the 3030. That would be on a couple of beaches I go to that have buried cables which completely disable some detectors. The volleyball courts I was on are undetectable with the 800 but not with the Manticore.

Looks like half of an Ox shoe.

Garrett has no such thing as a monopoly in the security industry. Competition is fierce in all sectors. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/federal-contracting/ceias-5-million-metal-detectors-contract-withstands-protest

I can remember when the Manticore was introduced. Everyone said 'That is a crazy name!' What does it mean? I'm not going to call it that, etc. I've waited a year to buy one but now that I'm using one for about 15 hours I'm agreeing with Jeff. This is a different Beast than the 800 I've had for many years. It got cranked up at the desert of Rye Patch for the first time and I really didn't know what to expect. I had a hard time hearing it. I was told to keep the volume down around 5. I couldn't hear it pair. My first beach hunt I didn't understand the sounds or the choices and I thought I heard too much surf for my liking. The last couple of nights I've gone to some good beaches in bad hunting conditions (no waves) and I really like the 11" coil. I didn't have very good wet sand conditions but I tried some volleyball courts and found my first ring (copper). The night before on a beach where I had my best gold night I found an isolated 925 cross. If the bling is there the Manticore can find it pretty deep. It is safe to say that this 11" goes deeper than the 800 11" coil. As a matter of fact I found some things 14-15" deep and a couple of things that were too deep to recover. I just can't dig that deep on some targets. Later I started watching the line and looking at the numbers. It saved me from digging everything which is what I was willing to do with past detectors. No more of that. I'm going to skip some things. One thing I won't be able to skip entirely will be corroded pennies. Ah ... nothing to keep them out of the scoop. I do think I won't have to dig as many stakes! Here are the two low tide hunts. This hunt was from about 1-3:30 AM. Conditions were not good but swinging was nice to be out. Last night in a different area I was able to go through most of the beach and terrain settings and hear the differences. I didn't really see any difference in the ID or above or below the line. I think this round plate is from a watch. It's fun listening to the Manticore. WTG Minelab. Are the less expensive detectors being introduced these days this much fun?

I am pretty sure that it has already been said that if it were not for Garretts monoply on the security end of the industry with their government contracts and if the storm series falls short the end result would surely be a turn out the lights the partys over type of situation and Teats up. That would be a real shame and dark spot for the history of metal detecting.

Just rebooted server and database, might help.

I have dug natural graphite nodules in Alaska while nugget detecting, still have them somewhere. Makes a perfect non-ferrous gold nugget type signal. https://uwaterloo.ca/earth-sciences-museum/resources/detailed-rocks-and-minerals-articles/graphite

Some iron or steel thing buried so long in wet ground it rusted and cemented dirt and remants into a lump?

This is beginning to remind me more and more of the soft drink sales battles. Certain weekends here you can get 5 12 packs for around $20. (Buy 2 get 3 free) Then a couple of weeks later it is buy 2 and get 2 free. Then you get the deal of $6.99 each but you must buy 3 ... In Minelab's case it is just about getting the $1700 and they'll toss in coils or you buy and buy the coils extra. It is a good detector no matter what. More on that on another thread.

I personally hope it is something that competes with the Deus 2 & Manticore, rather than just another addition to the already crowded low-mid priced market. If it looks promising and offers something new, I’d likely be one of the first guinea pigs to try it.

You will learn to love the Deus 2 so well that you will truly end up with a red neck from hours of hunting with an excellent machine...

@RickUK I haven’t tried the smaller coils out much. I have some really bad iron infested colonial sites that I have done well with the stock 11. I’d like to go over again with a small coil to see how well it does picking through the iron and maybe pick up on stuff I missed. I’ve been pretty impressed with the 11 as far as depth and separation ability. I picked several colonial flat buttons at 10-12 inches deep in some moderate orange clay soil. I’ve got both the 6 and the 10x5. I might try them out prospecting in some sandy creek beds. But I’m with you about an 8 or 9 inch round coil or an elliptical that roughly equals.

Both have improved in absolute terms but not in relative terms, leaving the traditional differences intact. Yes smaller coils get better depth but so do the larger coils. Etc. The reasons for choosing one over the other have not changed.