Running The 15" Cc X Coil Over A 6000 Patch

[phrunt]

GR Guy, the GPZ is not old technology to someone who goes down to their dealer today and buys it, it's the top of the line most expensive detector Minelab sell.  If that's how it should be looked at they need to pull it from the market.  It's not old technology, it's the current technology.  If anything the GPX is old technology, it's a hotted up to little gold and dumbed down in settings GPX 5000.

I think your chain of thought is more something that someone at Minelab would have, you're not thinking like a customer, customers don't care about that stuff you're talking about as much as Minelab would, they care about how the equipment they buy works and how it benefits them above everything else.

[jasong]

50 minutes ago, GR Guy said:

I’ll come from another angle. Why should Minelab in the age of Chinese and Russian counterfeits not be 100% protective of their brand and reputation. 

What does aftermarket coil selection have to do with counterfeiting?

50 minutes ago, GR Guy said:

....now the newer technology comes out in the 6000 that has opened up goldfields of finer gold people expect Minelab to go open slather on older technology to see if another organisation can mimic the 6 on fine gold. Why would Minelab do that. I don’t see Apple opening up the Macs to the rest of the world?

Again, coils aren't counterfeit detectors, no one is mimicing anything. Aftermarket coils are detector accessories, and they've been available for almost every model since I started detecting and X Coils designs and builds their own to sell, not copies. Unless you have some kind of inside track knowledge that no one else knows about?

No one is asking Minelab to open up their internal hardware for copying en masse. In your example, it'd be like Apple forcing ONLY Apple branded or approved products to be connected via USB, bluetooth, etc (headphones, chargers, external devices like computers, etc). Minelab is doing exactly this by saying no one can connect anything to their own detector they paid for, unless it's approved by the company. Worse, they are failing to offer approved versions of the things their customers have clearly been asking for for years, so there are no real options for people who paid $10k for a top-tier piece of equipment that historically has always had options.

[GR Guy]

17 minutes ago, phrunt said:

GR Guy, the GPZ is not old technology to someone who goes down to their dealer today and buys it, it's the top of the line most expensive detector Minelab sell.  If that's how it should be looked at they need to pull it from the market.  It's not old technology, it's the current technology.  If anything the GPX is old technology, it's a hotted up to little gold and dumbed down in settings GPX 5000.

I think your chain of thought is more something that someone at Minelab would have, you're not thinking like a customer, customers don't care about that stuff you're talking about as much as Minelab would, they care about how the equipment they buy works and how it benefits them above everything else.

Fair enough on the old technology with the Zed, it’s the latest at the high end. I meant that the 6000 was the latest released (Geo sense etc..)

[GR Guy]

17 minutes ago, jasong said:

What does aftermarket coil selection have to do with counterfeiting?

Again, coils aren't counterfeit detectors, no one is mimicing anything. Aftermarket coils are detector accessories, and they've been available for almost every model since I started detecting and X Coils designs and builds their own to sell, not copies. Unless you have some kind of inside track knowledge that no one else knows about?

No one is asking Minelab to open up their internal hardware for copying en masse. In your example, it'd be like Apple forcing ONLY Apple branded or approved products to be connected via USB, bluetooth, etc (headphones, chargers, external devices like computers, etc). Minelab is doing exactly this by saying no one can connect anything to their own detector they paid for, unless it's approved by the company. Worse, they are failing to offer approved versions of the things their customers have clearly been asking for for years, so there are no real options for people who paid $10k for a top-tier piece of equipment that historically has always had options.

If there wasn’t counterfeiting of Minelab products they wouldn’t need to put the extra security on their IP. They have just included coils as part of this security.

[phrunt]

The chips are in the coils, not in the detector, the detector itself seems safe from counterfeiting, although there are fake GPZ 7000's under the hood they're not fake GPZ 7000's and just poor performing detectors, with the easier to clone detectors like VLF's there are fakes that are virtually identical in performance, with I would guess worse build quality.

So the aim of the chip on the GPZ coil cable, and inside the GPX 6000 isn't to prevent Chinese from making fake detectors, it's simply there to prevent coils being made by anybody outside of Minelabs control.

[jasong]

What Simon said. That subject got discussed to great extent already here years ago.

[GR Guy]

25 minutes ago, phrunt said:

The chips are in the coils, not in the detector, the detector itself seems safe from counterfeiting, although there are fake GPZ 7000's under the hood they're not fake GPZ 7000's and just poor performing detectors, with the easier to clone detectors like VLF's there are fakes that are virtually identical in performance, with I would guess worse build quality.

So the aim of the chip on the GPZ coil cable, and inside the GPX 6000 isn't to prevent Chinese from making fake detectors, it's simply there to prevent coils being made by anybody outside of Minelabs control.

Don’t get me wrong in a perfect world it would get great all these options. But you can’t say in one breath that counterfeiting exists of a metal detector and then say the coil is off limits though. I’m pretty sure Minelab would put a fair amount of work into their coils as well as the other hardware in a product. 

[Aureous]

I just spoke to a coil technician and he advised me that the current 6000 coils are the same specs as the old GPX coils....so if the chip could safely be extracted from a 6000 coil  and a 5000-6000 adapter made up, then you SHOULD be able to run any previously made GPX coil on a 6000. I feel an experiment coming on... 

[araratgold]

41 minutes ago, GR Guy said:

Don’t get me wrong in a perfect world it would get great all these options. But you can’t say in one breath that counterfeiting exists of a metal detector and then say the coil is off limits though. I’m pretty sure Minelab would put a fair amount of work into their coils as well as the other hardware in a product. 

Sorry to burst your bubble GR Guy, but Minelab have never made good coils. They have only ever been adequate!

Why do you think aftermarket companies like Nugget Finder, Coiltek and now X Coils have done so well ? It's because they make good coils.

Rick