Running The 15" Cc X Coil Over A 6000 Patch

[phrunt]

Thanks again Aureous, Chet came out some time ago saying the older GPX coils would work on a GPX 6000, that guy seems to really know his electronics.  I guess it is something that needs to be tinkered with and accessed.  If it is the case that'd be a game changer for the 6000, someone could start a business just making adapters for people and make a fortune.

[jasong]

I was just literally writing something to the effect of "I'm curious what Chet thinks about making some 6000 concentrics and if performance increases are possible or not worth pursuing on the 6, right as you posted that. ?

 

[Chet]

The GPX 6000 11” and 17” x 13” Mono coils have the same electrical specifications as most previous GPX series coils. That is; the inductance is close to 300 microhenrys (uH) and the direct current resistance is close to 0.3-0.5 ohms. And shielding appears to be similar.

The GPX 6000 Double D receiver coil is different from previous GPX series Double D coils. I could not get a DC ohms measurement across the receiver coil. It appears to have a capacitor in series with the winding. 

Small existing GPX aftermarket coils using some type of adapter/dongle will probably work great. The GPX 6000 works great on small shallow gold by having a fast recovery and processing time for short time constant targets.

There may be limitations on large deep gold using large existing aftermarket coils. The GPX may be designed with overall power and sensitivity limited near the GPX 5000 performance.

Concentric coils could certainly be developed for the GPX 6000. It would require much development and testing of various sizes to hit sweet spots in performance for different nugget sizes and different depths.

Concentric coils for the GPX 6000 will need to demonstrate an overall performance improvement or specific niche in the midst of the other coils to make profitable sales.

[jrbeatty]

Pretty sure the X Coils guys are waiting for the 8000 release like everybody else. In the meantime they're unlikely to bother with commercial coils for the 6000.

So if Minelab haven't yet got the message and fail to release CC's for the 8000, I'm pretty certain I know who who'll do it for them  :)

[Northeast]

11 hours ago, Aureous said:

current 6000 coils are the same specs as the old GPX coils.

Which makes me wonder even more, why are the new ones double the price?  

[Gold Seeker]

10 minutes ago, Northeast said:

Which makes me wonder even more, why are the new ones double the price?  

It's because of Covid and Russia invading Ukraine.

[Aureous]

14 minutes ago, Northeast said:

Which makes me wonder even more, why are the new ones double the price?  

ML are gonna make some $$ out of this for sure... last couple years has seen a sh*tload of things rise in price significantly...maybe coils are now on that list...

[Steve Herschbach]

On 5/30/2022 at 2:02 PM, GR Guy said:

I’ll come from another angle. Why should Minelab in the age of Chinese and Russian counterfeits not be 100% protective of their brand and reputation. They are in the business of making the best metal detectors in the world and clearly are doing a great job at it. There will be plenty of aftermarket coils for the 6000 on the way which look to be all verified by Minelab soon. The Zed filled the market where everyone wanted a machine that went deep, now the newer technology comes out in the 6000 that has opened up goldfields of finer gold people expect Minelab to go open slather on older technology to see if another organisation can mimic the 6 on fine gold. Why would Minelab do that. I don’t see Apple opening up the Macs to the rest of the world?

Because it’s a stupid move from a business standpoint, when the GPX 5000 and earlier machines were made popular precisely because of aftermarket coil support. A huge ecosystem of aftermarket accessories support Apple Mac products, so don’t know what that’s about. The counterfeit issue is a red herring. The chip protects the coil, not the detector. Since Minelab is not making any serious effort at selling coils for the 7000, there is nothing to counterfeit, no sales to steal.

You act like the 7000 is old obsolete technology, when it is still Minelabs flagship detector. The 7000 is the more powerful model, and it’s only the lack of coil support that’s made the 6000 competitive with it on small gold, a fact easily proven with the right X coil on the 7000. Aftermarket coils for the 6000 has nothing to do with the 7000 and lack of Minelab coil support for the product, not to mention the X-Change fiasco, and upgrades for it that never came.

If anything it looks like a cynical move to hobble the 7000, to give the 6000 an area where it could claim superiority. Minelab refuses to interact directly with their customer base, reinforcing the perception we are viewed as nothing but consumers, i.e, walking wallets who only exist to be drained of every last dollar, by any means possible. The way this has been handled reinforces that perception. They did not enhance their reputation with me and others with this move, they degraded it. If the goal was to protect the brand and the reputation, it’s a total fail.

[Norvic]

Good to see the X coils being recognized for what they have done to the Z, was a bit bit of an uphill battle for early adopters as is so when we trial most new products. Skepticism rules initially but acceptance follows once they`ve been proven and X coils have certainly done that with their whole GPZ range in particular the CCs. As stated previously I hope X coil can give us coils for MLs magic 6K in particular a small CC.