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Well you could've fooled me. You seem extremely knowledgeable of Detectors and how they work.

Ok, I've had correspondence with FT about the issues with their website, and the manuals, they've now given me the correct F19 manual PDF, without all the bizarre OCR or drunk PDF creator errors the one currently hosted on DP has like in the picture below So, here is the new manual with correct formatting. F19 Manual Download Link @Steve Herschbach may want to update the one stored locally here to the new fixed version too. They are now going through and checking and fixing all links on the website, including fixing up the incorrect battery information on models.

Yes John, my experience is that most of the gold drops into the first riffle or second one, that tells me the system is working. I'm reminded of a quote from a little 'gem' of an Australian made movie 'The Castle' 'tell him he's dreamin'. Translation: a response to an ad in The Trading post for someone that's asking too much money for jousting sticks, Erik Oostra, geof_junk and others may know what I'm talking about.

Its just a mono AI coil. The fold increases sensitivity but reduces depth by a big margin. Best benefit is noise canceling around powerlines or other high EMI environments. PMC here in Australia made a lot these too.

Testing is supposed to be about actual testing....to prove that the design is capable in all ground types and detecting styles....leave the promotion to others. Sad that so many offerings have succumbed to 'lollipop' social media and glossy video promos instead of silent, closed door professional testing. Minelab do both, but only after the testing has been completed. Algoforce don't need it either. I suppose we will hear soon re the name...gonna be interesting!

Yes, artificial intelligence can do a lot... but it depends on the area of use... if you zoom in on this picture, you will see how a modern denoising program can edit a noisy photo.. the results are excellent.. it's also because the AI knows exactly what to do... In detection, it is no longer so clear,,, and there are too many factors that affect detection

Yea, here too. I don't get it. The water is a nice 78 degrees and there are quite a few sunbathers, but nobody in the water. I'm thinking the air temp needs to get hotter and humidity needs to move in in order to make them want to cool off in the water. Maybe they are just waiting for the June/summer last school bell to ring before getting wet. I'll be out there. 😁

That's true Norvic, you were fine with the noise, others were not, they fixed the noise, now the detector is better for everyone 🙂

This is why Nvidia is suddenly one of the big guns! Went from making video cards to help us play some games to making video processing for AI purposes.

Now I only hope we are not messing with Gerry’s dream.😩 I remember Star Trek had a flip phone before anyone even imagined a cell phone, now look were we are at. 😃

You nailed it Gerry, perhaps ML should get a few newchums also to field test, especially for marketing a very capable turn on and go newchum detector like the 6K. No doubt us old codgers who are so conditioned to noisy detectors, are not the users detector companies should be targeting. However here we are in a thread urging ML to bring us a new capable gold detector, what they have consistently and reliably done since their inception last century, bagging them on an old issue that`s been totally flogged to death. 😉

Thanks Chuck, but I wouldn't take on being a tester for anything, well under qualified, the way I see it is if I was buying a detector would I want to have me testing it? I'd say no. Testing products should require a lot of knowledge about the electronics and detectors in general, something I don't have. I also think it would require thousands of hours of in field and off field reporting, detailed documents of findings, something I'd not be willing to do for a free detector, the free part doesn't appeal to me that much. 🙂 I also wouldn't make a good "marketing" type tester, I'm not pretty enough 🙂

I’ve done it on Nokta Makro, FTP and Whites detectors when using their own and aftermarket coils.

Phrunt you may not be in the USA but you’re just like family so you got my vote for a tester if they ask me. Chuck

That is the best idea ever. Digger kids? Detector caddy boy? I want one!

I definitely believe more in the natural intelligence of the designers, engineers and field testers of metal detectors... who model the detection properties of a given detector according to their ideas... so that the detector works as best as it should work... artificial intelligence needs a sufficient amount of information for its reliable work... so that the result is really good,,, and such amount of information is often used in error detection... among other things, you need a really good computing power... because at home I sometimes use a de noise program with AI when editing and processing photos... so I know very well the time it takes to process one photo even if the computer works with a powerful graphics card... which is very accelerates photo processing... the processor itself needs 7-8 minutes to process 1 photo..!!! But the computer processor in cooperation with the graphics card can do it in 1 minute.... . A designer...or a tester can work well even with one achieved information or result...and can really develop it sufficiently further...if this result turns out to be the right way to further improve the detection...or the analysis of the detected signal ... Here I believe, for example, in better electronics of the detector, and the technical design of the detector, which can also provide the prerequisites for a better input signal from the target for the detector, which can process it better than it was before

Simon, I mean that the VLF discrimination mode ATX..was used more for the discrimination of iron than for the identification of a non-ferrous target..especially when we assume that we are working in a more difficult terrain..but it was still a good idea... with the current development of the ability of VLF detectors to work in mineralization, this can translate into really improved possibilities of such discrimination.... I think there is a strong area of possibilities as to how it can be done...

I put captions of the manual at the start of the post for a reason, as most wouldn't have read or remembered the manual. A company can't expect buyers to sand and adjust their lower shaft and washers to fit 🙂

Most overrated idea ever. You can already use the AI between your ears. Steve H. 🤣 I have another brilliant idea 💡. How about everyone has a dedicated digger person named Mongo that digs all targets for you. Then us egotistical detectorists can do what we do best. No AI, discrimination, no 2 in one detectors needed. Just Scott & Mongo.

I gave up trying to explain that to a few who keep claiming that detectors need AI to determine trash from treasure. Some just have a fundamental misunderstanding of how AI works...to the point that they think AI has some sort of "magical" ability.

I don’t own a Gold Bug Pro. Never have and I haven’t read that detector’s manual. On my present and former F19s and Tek G2s the lower shaft by itself with no washers was usually a tight fit. I have always just sanded the lower shaft and washers until they fit the coil ears snugly.

So, you're saying their GBP manual is wrong as it clearly states just to use one? The F19 manual doesn't specify, it doesn't even show you need a washer 🙂 I think you're right, two seems best, but odd their manuals are so strange on the topic. The same washers are at the local hardware store, in red colour in the plumbing section, the ones with my F19 were black.

Target ID, VLF type discrimination and more sensitivity to smaller targets than a PI offers, the 6000 has nothing on a VLF on small gold, it's more equal to a Gold Bug Pro than a higher frequency unit, but even then, a GBP can pick up a #9 lead pellet at an inch or so, the 6000 can't see one at all so perhaps its more like a 13kHz detector, or maybe lower. I didn't know about the AKA, thanks for pointing it out I'll take a look.

There is no confusion for me. The F19 lower shaft has indents on both sides for washers and comes with two. I doubt that FTP manufactures those washers. They probably source them and perfect fit is obviously not happening currently. I would rather slightly stress the 10x5 coil ears with rubber on both sides than have rubber on one side and have hard plastic vs hard plastic with no cushion on the other side.

Most overrated idea ever. You can already use the AI between your ears to accept or reject items based on the very minimal information that an engineer like Carl really has to work with. AI does not change the fact that for every good target there are countless trash targets that look exactly the same to the metal detector. AI can’t change the underlying physics. You will get people who will start marketing “AI assisted” detectors, but it’s just not what people think it is. People should do like Carl and use oscilloscopes etc to see what the detector sees, and then this idea that AI is going to somehow “learn” from you as you tell it what it is finding will get put to rest. No, for every trash item you tell the detector about and it finally decides to reject, you will miss good items also. It won’t do any better than the best of us at that, and probably worse, as there will always be more trash than good finds. Want to get rid of them? Reject all targets. That’s where an AI bias against digging trash ends up. AI can only work with the information it has and at the electronic level there simply is not this massive amount of information people seem to think there is. Detectors are half blind people groping in the dark guessing at half felt items. The problem with half sine is patents and no action from Garrett. Anyone can do a PI / VLF either or detector, and I’m sure many of us would be happy with a machine that can hunt in all metal PI mode, then switch to VLF disc mode once target found.