X Coil Questions

[Steve Herschbach]

Oh I agree with that, but we apparently disagree on who the "good guys" and the "bad guys" are. I Just Don't Care. History. Water under the Ffffffing Bridge. Yes, it was this and that and the other. A drama that will live in history. If you want to perpetuate the drama, leave, put a stop to it, stay. That's aimed at the air, at the internet, at everyone out there.

Maybe it’s a Yank Aussie thing. It feels like there is a disconnect at some basic communication level that just makes stuff harder. I start a thread trying to clear the air, we end up arguing over how the air is being cleared. Sigh.

I'm going to descend into a dungeon and kill some trolls. You all have fun, see you soon. I'm spiraling the drain again so better take a break.

[Norvic]

Tis in the past and well and truly under the f.....n bridge truly, thank you, I`ll go outside and try and undo my rain dance that succeeded so well 2 months ago, I`ve a 17 Xcoil Concentric and a 6000 that want to find gold.?

[Jonathan Porter]

Steve a good post and a golden opportunity for everyone to put a line under the whole sorry mess and move on into sensible discussion. No one will truly know EXACTLY what happened behind the scenes because the main combatants have largely gone away for a myriad of reasons with the main incentive being marketing and sales.  

I for one am not proud of my involvement because of the harm to those who do not know the whole story, that’s the price others are having to pay because of my stupid stubborn sense of injustice. I’ll own my part in the drama in the hopes that those who know me well enough can get an inkling of the true nature of what went on. I was already moving on on the subject before it all blew sky high on the forum anyway, in retrospect I should have had more faith in others and left it alone much earlier. ?  

Here’s my ‘being upfront’ statement on the subject of X coils:

• I am not a fan of the Flat wound DOD coils in variable reactive soils but I have not used any of the latest ones, so they might have improved since my last experience. That is not to say they do not perform because they clearly do.
• I am extremely grateful to X coils for paving the way for us GPZ users having at least some sort of option over the “Communist Choice” option of the GPZ14 (pun intended but no offence meant ? ). If it wasn’t for X coils we would not be seeing NF providing the Zsearch coils.
• The adapter is still an issue for obvious reasons, I made one up yesterday and even though I like to think I know my way around a soldering iron and a Multimeter I still cringe when I power up my detector to test it.
• I still have good communications with my contacts at X coils, that should tell people a lot about the bigger picture.
• I have received a reasonable amount of X coils since their inception, some experimental and others being finished product (even throughout the forum coil wars ?). I have over time sold off most of those.
• I’ve currently used the 3 examples of the new Concentric coils 2 of which which were gifted to me during the shake up with the X coil company. (I am still not fully around the new business arrangement).
• I have found gold with all three concentric coils.
• All three Concentric coils have ferrite balanced well.
• All three CC coils have worked extremely well in mineralised variable soils.
• All three show signs of having less EMI.
• All three are incredibly sensitive relative to their size.
• I understand how they have achieved this performance with the Concentric's and take my hat off to them.
• All three have more depth and sensitivity over standard coils even in bad ground (taking into consideration size differences etc).
• The sweetheart coil is the 15” Concentric with the 17” CC coming in a close second (relative to my home environment, tight bush land, the 17” CC would be in front in the more open spaces like WA).
• I have not used the bigger coil enough due to grass and moisture content of our local soils to fully realise what it can do.
• I do not sell X coils but I have helped steer a few people towards acquiring them, people who are realistic and comfortable to take the risk.
   

I am more than happy to have a discussion on the subject of X coils because it is relative to what we do, so long as people understand there is also risk involved. Think of X coils like a remap of your diesel turbo charged engine, there is an inherent risk in modifying your car away from the manufacturers specs and if the engine blows then the responsibility falls on you the owner. There are millions of vehicles out there that are performing reliably every day with an engine remap, I am one of those people who has done it and appreciate the improvement in my vehicles drivability. X coils are basically a remap of your GPZ, but it requires a bit of risk and you need to find a guy who can do the mod for you so you can safely participate. 

JP

 

[Sheppo]

1 hour ago, Jonathan Porter said:

 

I am more than happy to have a discussion on the subject of X coils because it is relative to what we do, so long as people understand there is also risk involved. Think of X coils like a remap of your diesel turbo charged engine, there is an inherent risk in modifying your car away from the manufacturers specs and if the engine blows then the responsibility falls on you the owner. There are millions of vehicles out there that are performing reliably every day with an engine remap, I am one of those people who has done it and appreciate the improvement in my vehicles drivability. X coils are basically a remap of your GPZ, but it requires a bit of risk and you need to find a guy who can do the mod for you so you can safely participate. 

JP

 

That little snippet brought the whole X-Coils thing into perspective for me atleast and now you have me thinking ?

[DolanDave]

Hi Steve,

  Love my 22" X-coil for the GPZ 7000. Made my own adapter, was easy to make, hardest part on it is probably burning off the red coating on the wires to get the solder to stick ?.. But so far love it...

P.S. the adapter Minelab has on their coils looks like a double high speed switching diode, part # PMBD7000, in a SOT-23 package. The diode has an SMD code on it W5CAG.  More than likely a crypto chip, as they make the Crypto chips in a SOT-23 format also.

Dave

[Gold Hound]

I have 15 and a 20in spiral wound DOD coils.

I ran them last year and im happy with their performance.

I did not have any problem with following the instructions to make the addaptor.

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I have not ran the stock coils since.

Below is an example of Aussie lingo and how it can be missunderstood by foreighners

[jasong]

Purchased a 12", was sent the rest for free later on. My reports on them can all be found on this site. Have 2 concentrics that were sent to me as I was heading home from winter prospecting so I haven't had a chance to test them yet.

From basically day 1 I've explained what I paid for and what was sent to me for free. In fact, I was the first person to ask the same from others, including other products too.

I've gone out of my way to take as neutral of an approach as I humanly can and report on both the things I like and the things that need improvement. And while those reports can be found in prior posts, it's also no secret that now I still haven't put the stock coil back on since getting my X Coils, nor do I ever plan to.

[Northeast]

2 hours ago, Gold Hound said:

Below is an example of Aussie lingo

Teddy Long Legs - such a way with words  ?

I'm very surprised you let that stay up Steve.  I'm even more surprised you liked it  ?

 

[Sheppo]

31 minutes ago, Northeast said:

Teddy Long Legs - such a way with words  ?

I'm very surprised you let that stay up Steve.  I'm even more surprised you liked it  ?

 

That is exactly the way a good friend is acquainted here though. Much of our banter here would get a gun drawn on you in other parts of the world.