Coiltek Coils For The GPX 6000 - Confirmed!

[Steve Herschbach]

13 hours ago, Jonathan Porter said:

the ZVT tech will always be a heavy unit due to the requirement of 3 windings in the coil

You are not ruffling my feathers at all JP, and I hope I don’t ruffle yours when I say that yes, you are defending Minelab. You put yourself out there as their default spokesperson, when they never speak for themselves. If anything is ever said that is critical of Minelab, you are there running defense.

The GPZ sold in huge numbers worldwide, generating record profits for Minelab. To say that market has no interest in accessory coils just flies in the face of common sense. People want these coils so bad they will cut up coils to make adapters to get the coils made by X Coil.

X Coil has long since proven that small coils, and large coils, can be made for the GPZ that suit people just fine. The only requirements here are ones artificially imposed by Minelab, along with this idea that coils must work well in all locations. This has never been true, as all Minelab PI detectors had mono, DD, and figure 8 windings, for varying performance in different soil types.

ZVT is only all about max depth? Yes, including max depth on small gold, something X Coil proves can be done with ZVT, with superb results. More likely Minelab saw a small hot GPZ coil as competing with its soon to be released GPX 6000, and squashed the release. Minelab very much appears to enforce differentiation of detector performance by artificially limiting coil selections, keeping each model distinct, aimed at certain tasks.

Enough. I’ve said all I have to say about all this. Interesting discussion though, and thanks for the alternate perspectives JP. Now go out and find some gold! 

[Gold Catcher]

On 9/24/2021 at 7:51 AM, strick said:

That and the Z search is only slightly different in terms of size than the original stock coil. Nugget Finder was not targeting the US market with this coil and my feeling is that anyone that bought it here in the US did so out of desperation for something different for the Z...they say it performs better then the stock coil so maybe that was enough justification to purchase..

IMHO, the NF-Zsearch coil is a quantum leap away from the 14 stock. It is not only smaller and hence more amenable for both open field as well as difficult terrain applications, it also weighs less, handles better,  is much more sensitive to fast timing gold but without loosing depth at all. Ever since I mounted it I never took it off. Yes, it's a steep price tag but it elevates the Z where it has not been before (not to mention the X-coils which certainly have had a huge impact as well). As for the 6000, I don't see how new coils would outperform the existing 6000 stock coils, like what happened to the Z with the X-coils and NF-Zsearch. New 6000 coils will add more size options and perhaps add some nuances for certain applications, but the current 6000 coils are so great and so perfectly synchronized with the detector that I have a hard time believing that any new coil would add a significant performance advantage.

GC

[MSC]

Pretty excited about having more coil choices for the 6. 

[Gold Catcher]

On 9/24/2021 at 2:58 PM, Norvic said:

I love the 17 tis lightweight for its size and being eliptical is suitable to push through that grass.

Same here my friend, I am absolutely in love with the 17. But then I love the 14 and 11 as well. At times, I have a hard time choosing which one to mount as some terrain could use all three. And with all my previous praise of the NF-Zsearch I have to admit that I haven't used it much lately. The 6000 is just a bomb!

GC

[Jonathan Porter]

4 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

You are not ruffling my feathers at all JP, and I hope I don’t ruffle yours when I say that yes, you are defending Minelab. You put yourself out there as their default spokesperson, when they never speak for themselves. If anything is ever said that is critical of Minelab, you are there running defense.

I’ll own some of that Steve without ruffling my feathers, OK my feathers are ruffled a little but only because I think you are being a bit harsh.? I have an insight into ML than many do not as such I often see misinformation posted around the net including on this forum and feel compelled to at least try to put balance to an unbalanced discussion, because as you have stated ML do not have a public voice (their choice). I’m sorry if this makes you feel I’m placing myself in the role as the ‘unofficial spokesperson’ as I can assure you my days of stepping up and blindly defending them are long gone, you and I are way too long in the tooth to be starry eyed and romantic about this kind of thing anymore. That does not say I’ve given up just that there’s a tempering and hopefully a wisdom to my ways now.?

4 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Enough. I’ve said all I have to say about all this. Interesting discussion though, and thanks for the alternate perspectives JP. Now go out and find some gold! 

Calling me a Minelab lickspittle and then doing a mic drop and shutting down an interesting conversation is pulling feathers out by the handful bud but I see your point and at the end of the day the world will continue to move round the sun regardless of any incorrect remarks or injustices we might perceive. I think in this case we are both right, I am a Minelab lickspittle and you my friend are a crotchety old grumble guts who leaps to the little guys defence at the drop of a hat and I love you like a brother for every bit of it. ❤️?

Your good friend JP 

 

 

[Coiltek]

Well this topic  for GPX6000 coils by Coiltek has gone off the rails a bit with other brands and detectors. 

anyway if you’re keen to find out more join our mailing list and keep an ear out. 
We do appreciate all the relevant coil comments and I for one am looking forward to getting these things out there! 
 

take care all 

Trev. 

[RONS DETECTORS MINELAB]

On 9/24/2021 at 7:08 PM, NV-OR-ID-CAL-AU said:

IMHO

The Mono 9x14 and 6x10 would work well in most of my areas. Also a 6x10 DD would really fit into a need i see here in the localized heavy mineralized ground. Let me explain this better, we have a mix of soil types were I detect, some serpentine and some granite/rhyolites. The Mono coils is preferred and fit most needs here in the granite/rhyolite areas, but the Mono coils do tend to false on the serpentine bedrock here. Maybe the 6x10 DD would be a good match for the GPX6000 as it is already very sensitive with the 11” and the DD could maybe balance this sensitivity out with the 6x10 DD, maybe even match the 11” mono sensitivity for matching gold nuggets sizes and also being able to handle the hottest ground located here. We already have a 14” DD and it looses a little bit of sensitivity in comparison to the 11” Mono, so I probably would not purchase a elliptical DD option for that size if I could just use a 6x10 DD coil instead with better sensitivity. I am also curious on how sensitivity on a 6x10 Mono would handle the ground effects, hopefully it can still handle the ground effects and not be to overly sensitive. Don’t get me wrong as I would love to have a more sensitive coil as long as I do not get an overwhelming amount of annoying ground noise.

Coiltek,

Can you please let me know your thoughts on these assumptions since you are the experts here. Also can the weights of the coils be lowered at all using carbon fiber or other materials?

 

 

Trev,

I had a question, can a 6x10 DD coil be equally as sensitive as the 11” stock round. Please see the above quote for a better explanation of what would help in handling the ground effects in my area.

Thanks for any information.

Ron

[geof_junk]

What is the best Coil. When will people know that that it depends on the job that it has been selected for. (ie size of nugget targeted, the depth of that size nugget, the amount of ground that has to be covered to be payable (value or satisfaction), the amount of time being used, the person using it (ie Skill, strength or size of user), the shielding needed or type used.

Most  know that the smaller the coil the smaller or shallower the nuggets can be detected. The larger the coil the bigger and deeper the nuggets can be detected. Small coils can find big nuggets and large coils can find small nuggets it all depends on the depth and size of them at the location being used. The comparison of coils are more the about  Area of the coil not the diameter of the coil for a given design (ie mono,DD,DOD and Concentric).

So what does all this mean to Coiltek , Nuggetfinder, X-Coil and for that matter MineLab. is that a different coil is required for Me in Victoria and West Aust. a different one for Steve in different states in USA, a different one for JP in Queensland and WA and not leaving out NZ Phunt will require different ones too.

To sign off I use a coil in the Mono type elliptical about 14" by 8" the most and found the most gold with that range, however my larger Mono and DD coils have found more gold than "the normal coil" per hour but the hours used are very low and they are used for cleaning up not finding the gold locations.   

[goldenoldie]

If you half the size of the windings in the 6000's 14DD, as you do to find what size mono it would be equivalent too, than that would be a 14" by 8" mono coil.