GB_Amateur Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 On 8/30/2022 at 7:54 PM, Cal_Cobra said: I think what we generally observe is that 10" is at the edge of the detection capabilities before a machine calls the target iron IF it detects it at all. After digging the aforementioned deep targets, I can only surmise that there is another layer of targets that my current arsenal simply cannot see. I read probably 3/4 of all posts here at detectorprospector.com. Every few months one will hit me in the head (in a good way ?) and this fits that experience. Something that I've wondered about for at least a couple years is why I don't find coins deeper than about 8", and only a few that deep. When I 'clean out' a site I still hear (among other things) those iron grunts. I've always assumed they are just nails, deep cans, etc. From what you're saying my assumptions haven't been very good. I'm guardedly excited over this multicore. It's going to be an interesting 6 months or so as we learn more! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPT_GhostLight Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 The use of two 18650 cells may have different implications. One may be that they simply wanted a slimmer formfactor for the new eliptical handle design and two 18650s in parallel would allow the same runtime as a single 26650. They could also keep that slimmer design and run in series for higher voltage requirements. While I don't really care about what voltage the machine runs at, the new designs are attractive. Even if it's just an Equinox on steroids, I like it! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCR Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, GB_Amateur said: I read probably 3/4 of all posts here at detectorprospector.com. Every few months one will hit me in the head (in a good way ?) and this fits that experience. Something that I've wondered about for at least a couple years is why I don't find coins deeper than about 8", and only a few that deep. When I 'clean out' a site I still hear (among other things) those iron grunts. I've always assumed they are just nails, deep cans, etc. From what you're saying my assumptions haven't been very good. I'm guardedly excited over this multicore. It's going to be an interesting 6 months or so as we learn more! (P.S. I just realized I'm getting OT. Sorry, Chase. Well, at least some of the posts on this thread have conformed to your request. ?) Well, are you going to go back and dig some of those deep iron signals while you wait on the Manticore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kac Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Deep fringe targets on machines that have TID's will eventually drop in signal to the point they show in lower numbers as they go out of range. Boosting the signals will flatten out the response to them and give the user id numbers that they may want to dig. On analog machines the discrimination level would have to drop lower to hear those same fringe targets. Large iron has a distinct characteristic and machines like the 3030, Deus, D2 with their graphical x/y should show unstable or unclean response. Much like an analog machine would have that reverse roll. Just like other large deep targets fall off is longer so old lift of the coil can also give you a clue on do dig or not to dig. Natural sinking of targets is due to worm activity on land. There is a limit of how deep worms are and targets aren't likely to go below that without other factors such as tractors moving dirt as was the casse of the Reale I found that was on the outskirts of a dirt parking lot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB_Amateur Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, JCR said: Well, are you going to go back and dig some of those deep iron signals while you wait on the Manticore? Probably not, at least not with the Equinox. If I get really ambitious with my White's TDI, though... ? If the early tests by trusted, unbiased users show promise for deeper targets (specifically better dTID's with depth in moderate to strong mineralization), that's when I hope to be able to go-to-town. If they don't show much improvement in that area I doubt I will get a Meatcore as the Equinox otherwise does quite well in all parts of detecting that I do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCR Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 It would be nice to know for future reference what those deep iron signals are when using what you already hunt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL NINO77 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Even when using Spectra V3 on 3F multifrequency, my most used mod was with TX boost on... and using medium and low RX gain... depth gain detector and EMI resistance... In many situations, this mod with TX boost cannot be replaced by another setting... If you want a modern multi-frequency detector to have higher performance... and also have higher resistance to EMI... the only option is to increase the raw TX power... simply increasing the raw power of TX by 50 percent gives good conditions for achieving good and better results... as with detectors of the previous generation... ...this possibility was always there... but the detection companies did not take it fully into consideration...,, and rather focused on the software management of the detector's performance.. I think that now detection companies are starting to understand this and are starting to use TX bost as a decisive parameter to improve detection capabilities... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_Cobra Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 6 hours ago, GB_Amateur said: I read probably 3/4 of all posts here at detectorprospector.com. Every few months one will hit me in the head (in a good way ?) and this fits that experience. Something that I've wondered about for at least a couple years is why I don't find coins deeper than about 8", and only a few that deep. When I 'clean out' a site I still hear (among other things) those iron grunts. I've always assumed they are just nails, deep cans, etc. From what you're saying my assumptions haven't been very good. I'm guardedly excited over this multicore. It's going to be an interesting 6 months or so as we learn more! (P.S. I just realized I'm getting OT. Sorry, Chase. Well, at least some of the posts on this thread have conformed to your request. ?) It's an eye opener. We had an awesome San Francisco park demo that lasted an entire summer, and a ton of great finds were made (I even managed an eleven silver hunt, that was exciting!). Just about anything you can imagine was found (sans a gold coin), but a 1909-S VDB Wheat Cent was dug (not by me) a rare 1896 San Francisco dog license (I did get that one), tons of silver coins, old buttons going back to the beginning of the gold rush era, lots of tokens, several gold rings (got a nice Victorian era gold ring with a small diamond in it), and on and on. It was one of the most enjoyable demo sites I've had the pleasure to hunt. BUT my point was that it was pretty amazing to see what was coming up and still deep even after they scraped, trenched, or what not. Tom Dankowski had positive comments on the added power, and potential applications as well as the 99 point iron range. Definitely going to be an unusual and interesting machine ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midalake Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 27 minutes ago, Cal_Cobra said: Tom Dankowski had positive comments on the added power, and potential applications as well as the 99 point iron range. Definitely going to be an unusual and interesting machine ? They are giving the Manti 4 beach modes......right up my alley! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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