Early Field Review Of AlgoForce E1500

[RONS DETECTORS MINELAB]

Nenad has some good info on the Aussie forum. Wonder what percent this target ID works at compared to target signal depth?

[RONS DETECTORS MINELAB]

14 hours ago, Reg Wilson said:

Don't care if I go weeks without a colour, but get a buzz when I dig something worth the effort.

Our bigger bit patches would be worth going back to if we could just get a newer refined timing on the GPZ/GPX series, just needing a little more depth and these areas could be worth while again.

[Aureous]

4 hours ago, RONS DETECTORS MINELAB said:

Our bigger bit patches would be worth going back to if we could just get a newer refined timing on the GPZ/GPX series, just needing a little more depth and these areas could be worth while again.

For the legacy GPX, there is.....its called Modding Ron. Adds up to 30% depth on bigger targets and matches the GPZ with X Coils Big Concentrics on most targets that I've seen.

[Gerry in Idaho]

On 1/28/2024 at 3:45 PM, Steve Herschbach said:

Added the E1500 to the Detector Database and noticed that due to the company name starting with an A they will be first in alphabetical lists. Smart move that even if it was not planned. It is why you see so many triple A company names.

I like that A as well as the Au for gold is right up front for us all.

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53 minutes ago, Aureous said:

For the legacy GPX, there is.....its called Modding Ron. Adds up to 30% depth on bigger targets and matches the GPZ with X Coils Big Concentrics on most targets that I've seen.

My friend just got a Woody mod 5000 in the mail today, looking forward to see it in action. 😀

[Gerry in Idaho]

Nenad, Sorry I'm late to the party as I was chasing gold in Caribbean again and just got back in the US yesterday. 

I'm very interested in this new detector as an End User because I enjoy hunting specimen gold that many older PI machines miss.  I'm also interested in selling it to my customer base of 30 yrs. At the price point and it's mentioned abilities, I see many happy faces.

All along many of us have wanted "detector options" for Pulse Induction machines, but at a better price point.  It sounds as if this machine will fit in nicely with the focus it's been designed for.  Hopefully everything comes through and the FCC gets things moving here to the US.

Shipping with no battery is a smart move actually and will save the company time and money.

Looking forward to learning more as this is the 1st I have heard of it.

 

[PhaseTech]

Ok guys, I've gone through all my testing notes and did some fresh air testing as well - I know, not really a test of the machine, but does give some insight into how the different timings and coils may perform in the field. 

The Sadie is the best on EMI. For some reason the 12x8" Evo is a little chattier. 14x9" Evo is a bit quieter than the 12x8" - can't work that one out? I don't have a 14x9" Evo here at the moment to test. Also, haven't compared a Detech 8" yet. 

Here are some coil/timing comparisons. All carried out using Sens 23. 

Using the Sadie, comparing Fine and Ultra Fine, there is only about 5mm difference either way, and the crossover point where Fine starts to do a little better is about 0.3g. Anything smaller and Ultra Fine was the same or better. But it depends on target texture. I tested a 0.72g bit with ironstone, and Ultra Fine was still seeing this one a little deeper. On an Aussie 5c coin (our smallest, lowest conductor) depth was identical. 

Sadie vs 12x8" Evo, both in Fine, the Evo was consistently better across a range of targets. On a 0.33g rough bit of gold I was getting 3cm better with the Evo. 4cm better on the 5c coin. On a prickly 0.26g bit, the Evo was only 5mm deeper. I suspect on much smaller gold, they will be about the same and would come down to the settings you can run. 

I compared a Coiltek 11" Elite and 12" round Evo, and the Evo was 5-10mm better across the board. On the 5c coin, the Evo was seeing it 15mm better. 

I also tried an old 12x7" Advantage Mono (I've asked Rohan to bring this back into production!) and depth was consistent with the Sadie. Across the range of gold tested, the 12x7" was the same to 5mm better. But, the 12x7" started to pull away on anything bigger than a gram. On the 0.26g prickly piece, the Sadie in Ultra Fine was 15mm better than the 12x7" in Fine. I didn't test the 12x7" in Ultra Fine. 

Overall, here's who won the showdown on specific targets. I wouldn't take this too seriously as performance in the field with optimised settings will obviously change the results. But assuming everything was equal, and all coils were happy to run on Sens 23, this would be somewhat accurate. 

Aussie 5c -  16" NF Superlight Mono beat the 12" Evo by 2cm (20mm).

Gold plated pendant - 16" Advantage Mono beat the 12" Evo by 3cm. 

0.26g prickly - SDC2300 was better than E1500 12x8" in Fine by 5mm.  (haha yes thought I'd throw that in there) 

0.32g flat/worn - 12" Evo in Fine beat the Sadie & 12x8 Evo, both 10mm behind. 

0.72g gold w/ironstone  - the 12" Evo in Fine beat the 11" Elite and 12x8" Evo by 10mm 

The 14x9" Evo I used briefly in the field and tested on a few targets, and it seemed a very nice compromise between the 12" round and 12x8" Evos. 

Obviously stuff around 0.1g and smaller will see the small coils and Ultra Fine start to pull away. 

[RONS DETECTORS MINELAB]

12 hours ago, PhaseTech said:

The 14x9" Evo I used briefly in the field and tested on a few targets, and it seemed a very nice compromise between the 12" round and 12x8" Evos. 

Nenad,

thanks for putting all this together, very informative and interesting.

Would you recommend that the 14x9”Evo is a good all around coil option for this detector and its timings considering the ground conditions you detect in there.

[RONS DETECTORS MINELAB]

https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/threads/algoforce-e1500-new-pi-detector-from-ex-minelab-engineer.42049/page-2#post-676638
 

There’s another report on the Aussie forum describing how well the conductivity target ID is working on this E1500 PI. Also mentioned is some comparisons of different detectors on a range of targets.

[Aureous]

Home and test patch trials are one thing....and so far it appears that the E1500 is not a 6000 beater. But, the real test is the in-field ability of the E1500 to find the small gold that the 6000 doesn't hear. Just how much of it is 'find-able' ??? In other words, how long will it take for anyone to recoup his/her detector investment in gold value? The main driver of interest is gonna be if the E1500 can magically make old patches worthwhile again. If not, its just gonna be an option for those detectorists wanting to finally obtain a super sensitive PI without the massive Minelab price tag , or new beginners wanting a cheaper option than a used SDC2300. If scenario 1 if a reality, then I'll be buying one.