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On 12/4/2016 at 2:39 PM, Rick Kempf said:

I suspect the new Minelab will be Africa only - like the deus variant distributed there.

A good number of American dealers are taking orders for the new gold monster from Minelab right now, with delivery scheduled for something like April. I expect you may be wrong in assuming its an Africa only product. I think the fact that a number of dealers are taking orders for the same price and with the same projected delivery time means the dealers have been asked to do this, and that it will be available here in the US, probably in April like the dealers say.

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I like the look an concept of that machine........well build for sure

 

 

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That's good news - more choice is a good thing.  Hopefully Deus will market their label version of the Depar 600 as well.  I will be in the UAE for a while, starting next week, I may get a chance to play with the Depar and perhaps even the ML.

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I dont think the New Minelab Gold Monster is good enough.

What we expected is more useful detector throughout the world .

Minelab should think about it to introduce detector like GPZ 7000 with iron reject discrimination because who will waste his time for digging upto 2 or 3 feet for iron. No one will 

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2 hours ago, Sajuu said:

I dont think the New Minelab Gold Monster is good enough.

What we expected is more useful detector throughout the world .

Minelab should think about it to introduce detector like GPZ 7000 with iron reject discrimination because who will waste his time for digging upto 2 or 3 feet for iron. No one will 

I will! Because there's a chance that it's not iron when in gold country or that there's a big nugget sitting under the iron. If iron discrimination on the 7000 was easy to accomplish, it would be done already. 

I think we have what we have and have to work with that.

If magic wands that find and dig the gold for us were available we would all have one and gold would be worth 5 bucks an ounce!

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4 hours ago, Sajuu said:

I dont think the New Minelab Gold Monster is good enough.

What we expected is more useful detector throughout the world .

Minelab should think about it to introduce detector like GPZ 7000 with iron reject discrimination because who will waste his time for digging upto 2 or 3 feet for iron. No one will 

That will come with time. For now, as Digger Jones says, we have to use what we have. At the moment you get to choose. You can have decent discrimination, but limited depth. Or you can have great depth, but limited or no discrimination. I think the signal to noise problem inherent in detecting means the detectors that get the best depth will always lack enough target information to fully discriminate the deepest targets.

Not everyone can afford a $7000 metal detector. Over the years amazing amounts of gold has been found and continues to be found with $700 metal detectors. It is good to have depth of detection, but there are still plenty of shallow items to find for the first person to put the coil over them. We not only have to use the technology available, but also what we can afford. Hard work, good research, and putting yourself in the right place can make up for the lack of technology.

 

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Very true, Steve. The prospector will also always need to deal with the fact that the detector will see a target farther than it can discriminate accurately. This is true for both VLF and PI types and I am sure that if and when it arrives on the GPZ platform, it will be a factor there too.

Actually, I think the GM1000 will end up becoming a very popular detector. I know that at the Minelab dealers conference, the dealers who looked at it were very excited about the GM1000 coming on the market.

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On 2/20/2017 at 6:55 PM, Digger Jones said:

I will! Because there's a chance that it's not iron when in gold country or that there's a big nugget sitting under the iron. If iron discrimination on the 7000 was easy to accomplish, it would be done already. 

I think we have what we have and have to work with that.

If magic wands that find and dig the gold for us were available we would all have one and gold would be worth 5 bucks an ounce!

Hello, Digger Jones

Sorry Sir

What can i say if you want to waste your time by digging the ground for iron not because you are digging for iron but for gold and precious items

As i said we were expecting that minelab will introduce better detector than they did so is not bad to expect i think

We have what we have and we have to move forward . No one is going to agree with you if he is paying $7000 to $8000 for the thing that will waste their time . Ofcourse they will try their best to have the best technology . Things are not easy but not impossible i do believe that .

Best technology plus good knowledge leads you to success.

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Sajuu. The problem is....you will never know what the target is until it is in your hand. That means you have to dig it to know for sure. Wasted time or not. That is all part of the "game."You can choose to walk away from a junk sounding target but you will not know if it is junk or not unless you dig it. I dig all signals & I still get blown away by signals that sound so much like junk but have turned out to be gold. That is why I dig every thing....because you just dont know & cant tell 100% by the sound of the signal alone. I have also dug many junk targets, & once out of the ground & rescanned before back filling, have got a nice mellow gold signal. The junk signal masking the good mellow signal that was gold. Has happened to me so many times. So I just dig them all.

The problem with discrimination in a dedicated gold machine is that gold by its very nature is never of the same purity from goldfield to goldfield. Unlike coin & relic machines that have a much more accurate discrimination ability which I believe comes down to them running at lower frequencies than gold machines, but also due to the objects that those detectors are used to hunt for. Coins are all made from a known amount & mix of metals. Usually non magnetic, Except our stupid new New Zealand coinage which has an iron content. So coin machines discrimination has been calibrated on known metal content & coin size. Hence they can even tell you what the coin is & how deep its. Unlike gold out in nature.  Being mixed with different & varying amounts of other metals & impurities. Copper & silver being the most common but also others. Gold & ironstone are often together...so what is the discrimination going to tell you about that mix?? It is the variation of the amounts of other metals/impurities mixed in with the gold from nugget to nugget that is the problem with accurate discrimination. One of the very first objects of gold that I found when starting out with my GP 3000, with DD coil & in discrimination mode was an old rusty nail. The detector was blanking out in discrimination, but because I was learning the detector & wanting to get familiar with the different sounds....even objects of discrimination, was to dig every signal. That nail was jammed in a crevice in the bedrock in a shallow creek & coated with flakes of gold caught up in the rust halo of the nail. From that day on I have dug every thing. Dont use DD coils & always detect in no discrimination. I moved on from the 3000 to a 4500. Still have my 4500 but I am full time on the Zed at the moment.

Technology is what it is at the moment on gold detectors. The Minelab Pi's do have a discrimination ability with DD coils. But I think you will find that the more successful operators dont detect in discrimination & dig every thing. I also believe the discrimination circuitry takes away a bit of grunt from the depth & sensitivity of the detector & so you arent getting full depth & sensitivity on those slightly deeper bits of gold. You want all the depth & sensitivity that your detector has the capability of giving you.  The discrimination in the detectors is programmed to be on the cautious side & when dealing with gold not worth the risk of walking away from gold because the detector is telling you it is iron....it just may not be. Some VLF gold detectors have an iron probability form of discrimination & VDI number read outs. The VLF's lack the depth of the Pi's. An accurate 100% trustable discrimination in gold machines is still a thing of the future. At the moment it comes down to your choice to dig a signal or not. I know I will keep on digging them all.

Knowing how to operate your detector to its full potential in any goldfield situation & digging all signals is what will lead you to success.....at the present point in time.

Good luck out there

JW  :smile:

   

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3 hours ago, Sajuu said:

Best technology plus good knowledge leads you to success

 

36 minutes ago, kiwijw said:

Knowing how to operate your detector to its full potential in any goldfield situation & digging all signals is what will lead you to success.....at the present point in time

I think ML are on a winner with the new Gold Monster 1000 coming out by upgrading their lower end scale detector. Surely they have done their homework and looked at demand in the market place and supplied a machine for it.

 I'm sure it will be cost friendly to family's budgets. A new machine, newer technology in the market is very enticing to want one.

 Just imagine the excitement on sum young kids face when they dig up their first nugget with the new Gold Monster 1000.That is the success ML is thinking about I recon (then of course the kid wants a bigger & better detector) more $$$$$$ to ML

 Everyone measures success differently !

My measure of success is getting out there swinging and leaving all the cares in the world behind.

I dig everything. I don't discriminate. I love wasting time digging all targets. Its the thrill of the chase that gets me in. Gold is a bonus

Cheers ozgold

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